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Adamsm
No, there will more then likely never be an Undead paladin.
Night Elves have no connection to Shamans, so they probably won't get it either.
Troll Warlock has always been joked about, but they don't have a connection to it in lore.
Post by
Orranis
I really like the idea of an Undead Paladin... and yes, it IS different than the DK but.... that would be fun.
A Death Knight is a Paladin that has been killed and brought back to undeath with the powers of necromancy, all other powers (nature, light) abandoning them, they have taken up the powers of necromancy for themselves.
An Undead Paladin is a fallacy of lore.
Post by
Falrinn
Any possible race/class combo can have proper lore written for them. The only reason any particular combo was not used was simply because Blizzard didn't want to go that route from a story perspective (something like Night Elf Shaman would have to have an enormous backstory).
Post by
Orranis
Any possible race/class combo can have proper lore written for them. The only reason any particular combo was not used was simply because Blizzard didn't want to go that route from a story perspective (something like Night Elf Shaman would have to have an enormous backstory).
It
can
, but that doesn't mean it's A. a good story, or B. contradictory to already written stories.
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326936
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Post by
Monday
Night elf mage.
They arn't giving draenei any new classes, and something like a night elf mage, well, it'd be better to not give night elves a new class.
? Why?
The Night Elf mages are the same ones from Dire Maul. Thus they already existed.
Draenei don't need anything else.
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Post by
Adamsm
Actually, Blizzard just didn't want to make new models, those arn't night elves, they're Highborn.
http://www.wowwiki.com/Dire_maul
Though I know it wouldn't make too much sense, a night elf paladin would make more sense then a mage. If a NE can be a priest by worshiping Elune, wouldn't they be able to use the same power granted to make paladins? Just call it something else right?
The original Highborne were just Night Elves; the High Elves evolved due to the change of life style they took; swapping from day to night, and using the sun well. Those Highborne in Dire Maul are left overs from the War of the Ancients, who had fled before the final battle, and remained hidden for millenniums, feeding off the Demon they captured. If you do the quest where the Highborne mage sends you to Darnassus, and stand there waiting, you see this:
A cautious return
Archmage Mordent Evenshade says: Sentinel, I would speak with your High Priestess.
Sentinel Stillbough says: You must wait for an audience.
Archmage Mordent Evenshade says: Must I? I doubt Tyrande has more pressing business.
Sentinel Stillbough says: You show some nerve coming to Teldrassil, Highborne. Your kind are unwelcome here. We have not forgotten the War of the Ancients or the minds behind it.
Archmage Mordent Evenshade says: The lure of power is great. Mistakes were made.
Sentinel Stillbough says: And we would not see those mistakes repeated. Return to your exile.
Archmage Mordent Evenshade says: I will not return until I am heard. There is too much at stake. There is a change on the wind, and we cannot ignore it. I have traveled from the dust and ruin of the past to come to an accord. The time may soon come when the kal’dorei require the knowledge and skill we have to offer. I will wait, Sentinel... but I will have my audience.
Archmage Mordent Evenshade looks over at the moonwell with a sigh.
Sentinel Stillbough says: Take your gaze off the moonwell, exile. The power within is not yours to wield.
Archmage Mordent Evenshade says: Calm yourself, Sentinel. I do not seek to use it. I am merely... remembering.
Sentinel Stillbough says: Recalling your treachery?
Archmage Mordent Evenshade says: Enough. I have been apart from this for centuries. The well within this temple may be a pale spectre of the Well of Eternity, but it still holds the same... beauty. Purity.
Archmage Mordent Evenshade says: I had forgotten.
Archmage Mordent Evenshade says: I do not believe admiration and wistful thoughs are against the societal norm.
Sentinel Stillbough says: Watch yourself, Highborne.
Archmage Mordent Evenshade says: You were the one who challenged me for merely looking. I still await my audience with Tyrande.
Sentinel Stillbough says: In good time.
Gossip Panel
The following text appears in the gossip panel when you click on Archmage Mordent Evenshade <The Highborne>:
I suppose I should not surprised at this cold reception. We have long been in hiding, and the separation from our brethren was necessary.
That time, however, is done. Whether the residents of this young tree come to accept us or not, the Highborne are returning to light, and we will not turn our backs on what we are. With the return of the Highborne, there starting up the Night Elf magi who have been missing from the world since the split between the race since after the Well of Eternity exploded.
Post by
Vaeku
No, there will more then likely never be an Undead paladin.
Night Elves have no connection to Shamans, so they probably won't get it either.
Troll Warlock has always been joked about, but they don't have a connection to it in lore.
Well, you can always argue troll warlocks with voodoo magic, just like with troll priests/mages. Maybe something how they used voodoo but found that warlock magic was more powerful.
Also... If I had a nickel every time someone mentioned undead paladins...
I would be able to buy everyone a Celestial Steed.
Post by
FarseerLolotea
Draenei don't need anything else.I'm really sick of this argument. The only race that "needed" anything else was gnomes, who had no healer.
The rest of the additions are simply to give the players more options. (Or I could be cynical and say that they're to sell more race/faction changes.) By pointedly leaving draenei out, they're essentially saying "if you like this race, sucks to be you."
Post by
Adamsm
Well, you can always argue troll warlocks with voodoo magic, just like with troll priests/mages. Maybe something how they used voodoo but found that warlock magic was more powerful.Yeah, but shadow magic from the voodoo is different from the magic pulled from the Nether and the Burning Legion.
Post by
Falrinn
Draenei don't need anything else.I'm really sick of this argument. The only race that "needed" anything else was gnomes, who had no healer.
The rest of the additions are simply to give the players more options. (Or I could be cynical and say that they're to sell more race/faction changes.) By pointedly leaving draenei out, they're essentially saying "if you like this race, sucks to be you."
I don't think it's a FU to the Draenei by any means. Rather it's simply because none of the 3 possible options are considered "safe" and they don't feel like it's the right time to change Draenei lore to accommodate any of the available classes.
If you think about it, the Draenei have experienced so much hardship, they will probably be least affected by the Cataclysm on a cultural level.
Chances are they have plenty of plans for Draenei lore, it just doesn't involve a new race/class combo.
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Post by
Monjaru
The rest of the additions are simply to give the players more options. (Or I could be cynical and say that they're to sell more race/faction changes.) By pointedly leaving draenei out, they're essentially saying "if you like this race, sucks to be you." Yes, poor draenei. By leaving them out of getting new race/class combos, they're stuck with a measly... 7 race/class choices? Wait... but that means that they're still on par with Orcs, Undead, Tauren, and Night Elves, who all have 7 as well. And gnomes are still the low man on the totem pole with only 6.
So why, pray tell, are you complaining? Sounds like you're just biased for draenei to me.
Post by
FarseerLolotea
I don't think it's a FU to the Draenei by any means.It can't be a FU to a fictional race. It is, however, one to the race's fanbase. Rather it's simply because none of the 3 possible options are considered "safe" and they don't feel like it's the right time to change Draenei lore to accommodate any of the available classes.Druid wouldn't have really required change, just addition. Rogue, my second choice, would be a "desperate measures" thing (hence why it's my
second
choice, and rather a distant one).
Now, warlock...I agree that
that
shouldn't even be considered.
If you think about it, the Draenei have experienced so much hardship, they will probably be least affected by the Cataclysm on a cultural level.That's odd logic, seeing as their lore indicates that major upheavals seem to drive them to innovation, not complacency.
Chances are they have plenty of plans for Draenei lore, it just doesn't involve a new race/class combo.If they're just too busy to be learning new tricks from the Stillpine furbolgs or from SI:7, I'll be fine with that. I wish I could believe that it
will
be the case.
However, Blizzard's track record in regards to draenei leans towards "sitting on their tails."
imo they should of given dreanei druid rather then worgen and given worgen paladin that would of made the shaman/paladin horde/alliance ratio even in all aspects, class/race combo included.On the one hand, you're correct. There's actually more in-game precedent for draenei druids than for worgen, and I haven't seen any official support for the fan theories claiming that worgen
can't
be paladins.
On the other, it would give two races on the same faction (humans and worgen) the exact same class line-up. Yes, poor draenei. By leaving them out of getting new race/class combos, they're stuck with a measly... 7 race/class choices? Wait... but that means that they're still on par with Orcs, Undead, Tauren, and Night Elves, who all have 7 as well.Because all of them got new options. As did the three other races that already had seven classes apiece. And gnomes are still the low man on the totem pole with only 6. Red herring. Gnomes will have all of their bases covered with the addition of priests.
So why, pray tell, are you complaining?Because I've got a legitimate reason to. Sounds like you're just biased for draenei to me.Of
course
I'm biased for one of my two favorite races.
But if
any other
race was getting left out—even something that I actively disliked—I'd still be agitating on principle. Maybe not
quite
as strongly unless it was trolls, but even so.
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423967
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Post by
FarseerLolotea
and thats a draw back considering worgen and forsaken both have the same culture base in humanity the only differance is worgen retain the entire class list and forsaken loss paladin on count of the fact paladins are centric on the light theres no spirit or shadow sub element , thus a forsaken paladin would try to cast judgment and explode in flames.The claim I've heard is that worgen can't be paladins because they're cursed.
I've replied, more than once, that druids and magi can dispel curses. Paladins can't. If anything, it's more likely that Gilneas simply never had its own order.
Post by
Adamsm
and thats a draw back considering worgen and forsaken both have the same culture base in humanity the only differance is worgen retain the entire class list and forsaken loss paladin on count of the fact paladins are centric on the light theres no spirit or shadow sub element , thus a forsaken paladin would try to cast judgment and explode in flames.The claim I've heard is that worgen can't be paladins because they're cursed.
I've replied, more than once, that druids and magi can dispel curses. Paladins can't. If anything, it's more likely that Gilneas simply never had its own order.
Or any members of the Silver Hand that were of Gilnean base, didn't go behind the wall after the Second War.
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