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Ephemeral Snowflake vs Winged Talisman
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Post by
Kibbles
Ephemeral Snowflake
Winged Talisman
Class/Spec= Druid/Resto
Location=5 man dungeons
Ephemeral Snowflake grants 11 mana returned every time I cast a spell and a +464 haste use. This is effectively a 11 mana reduction for all of my spells. This means that out of 3496 total mana for a resto druid at eighty
Nourish
=629 mana before talent, or with Emphereal, 618 mana cost.
Regrowth
=1014 before talents, or with Ephemeral, 1003 mana cost, with five ticks of Ephemeral for 948 mana cost.
Rejuvenation
=629 mana before talent, or with Emphereal, 618 mana cost and then five ticks of ES, and thus 563 mana cost.
The haste is 20 seconds on a 2 minuite cooldown, which should mean 10%. But I am assuming a 30 second boss fight, or at least, 30 seconds of actual DPS that I will need to heal for. This means that it has 66% uptime, and is effectively 309 haste if it is used to the greatest extent.
These are the spells I will be using most often while healing. Now assuming that I only cast Regrowth and Rejuvination once per fight, and then I cast nourish five times during a fight, rather accurate data from what I have collected, then that will total to 629*5+1014+629=4788 without ephemeral, or 618*5+948+563=4601 with ephemeral. That is a total savings of 187 mana over the course of a 30 second fight.
Now to Winged Talisman. 36 Mp5, and a 346 SP on a 20 second timer for a 2 minuite cooldown, much the same as ephemeral. Over a 30 second boss fight it will return 36 mana 6 times, netting to 216 mana total. The 346 SP has 66% uptime, and that nets to a total of 228 spellpower.
In summation, or, TL;DR
------------------ES-------WT
Mana----------187-------216
SP-/Haste---309-----228
So is it just me or is this a clear win for Winged Talisman? It clearly wins in mana returned, and the haste to spellpower thing is debatable, as SP is clearly better than haste but 309 haste would go a long ways towards 1 second HTs, which in turn would...
Anyway.
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Post by
blademeld
I'm assuming the comments on the item page are accurate, which states the snowflake procs off all HoT ticks, regrowth will tick 5 times, so it'd be 55 mana.
Also, as interesting as this is, if you're calculating for 30 second fights, I have to point out the fact that you're all probably overgeared and this won't matter anyways.
Post by
Kibbles
I am targeting for FoS, where there tends to be a lot of healing but short fights, and HoR, in which there are about 30 second waves and the LK encounter, where there are also waves but with a longer time span between them. This is where I am having problems. Thank you for the info on Ephemeral, I will update that.
Post by
Kibbles
Thoughts? Comments?
Post by
blademeld
tbh, in that case (no theorycrafting on my part), I'd use the trinkets based on their use effects, do you need to cast faster or do you need to land bigger hits?
Post by
MegaVolt
1. Who cares about 30 second fights? Get some raiding gear and all 5mans are a cakewalk.
2. 1 RG + 1 RJ + 5 Nourish, that's 7 casts. You are casting 7 times in 30 seconds? Something is seriously wrong there. If nobody is taking any damage that's fine but in those fights it really doesn't matter which trinket you use, nobody is taking serious damage anyway. Always gear for hard fights. A fight in which you aren't casting all the time can't be that hard.
3. One Rejuvenation during a fight? And 5 Nourish? Seriously? Rejuvenation has to be on all party members at all times. Just top using direct heals and start hotting like Druids are supposed to, that will solve a lot of your problems.
4. A 1 second HT? WTF? I very much hope you are not using a glyphed Healing Touch. Or any Healing Touch at all except for the NS+HT macro to make it instant. Please remove that HT from your bars asap.
5. The value of haste greatly depends on how much you have right now and also on your spec. The proc might bring you over the gcd cap and thus be partly wasted but without an armory link it's impossible to say.
6. No, healing is not an art. It's a valuable contribution to the raid and not at all useless.
Post by
Kibbles
tl;dr =D
Post by
pezz
If you have a difficult 30 second fight, it's probably not the fight, it's probably the fact that you're casting seven less than ideal spells and not pre-HoTing.
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Post by
sunwukung
Druids mainly raid heal with rejuv and WG (WG should be glyphed for raids or even 5mans for the free pet healing). Most can keep rejuv stacked on 10 players easily while keeping WG on CD. Thats (+11mana x 10) every 3 secs plus (+11manax6) every 1sec = 308 mana every 3 secs, pretty good. Not letting rejuv fully cycle reduces the mana gain of course.
A good 25man healer can keep rejuv on at least 15 people continously while keeping WG on CD. Thats a lot of mana regen. And thats just rejuv and WG.
Now if you are a good druid, you have regrowth, rejuv, LBx3 and WG on the tank as much as possible, even if your not tanking healing, especially when the raid healing lessens for a min (you can usually catch up). Now in a every 3 secs, from one tank, you are getting back 88mana plus the 1400 from a bloomed LB at the end of it (I am not gonna even factor in OoC procs). This plus rejuvs on as many people as possible and WG on perma CD is a lot of mana back.
The snowflake isnt a good trinket if your casting nourish and regrowth. They should be used and they have thier moments but before you use them (especially nourish) there should have already been hots ticking. Regrowth can be used to spot heal in raids, since in continous raid dmg fights, the hot is another buffer, just don't recast it on a target until it is gone and the target needs some health fast. I will admit the use of the snowflake is very useless for haste capped druids, but it does supply a lot of mana regen on top of what we are already capable of.
Tl;DR:
They don't even compare. Use the snowflake.
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