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Need advice or ideas for Soloing/casual balance-specc.
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Post by
ljudsnubbe
Yo Boombirds!
I have resto as mainspecc, used to raid as moonkin as well, but nowadays I only use balance for soloing/questing/farming and for casual pvping. The more I think about it, I feel like there is alot of "standard moonkin stuff" I dont use at all, so Im about to respecc and want a piece of advice and suggestions.
Ok, most wasted are probably the iconic moonkin-talent Eclipce. For soloing I normally just hot up, and aoe everything down. In pvp (BGs) I guess its ok for nuking vehicles, but as I play in mostly Restogear my crit is low and it often takes quite some time for it to procc. Then there is the problem with the long casttime on Starfire, even if it proccs the casttime if so long most often people got plenty of time to go LOS/interupt/silence etc when they see me cast starfire with a big moon on top of my head. Of course I love it when I do get an eclipsed starfire of, but it happenes so seldom I just feel its a waste of talentpoints (for what I do). Dotting, wrath-spamming, and using starfall as often as its up works sweet for me (of course I CC and offheal as well, but as dps goes).
Other wasted talent: Improved Feary Fire. Hit is not a problem in what I do as balance, I dont dps in raids and its a waste of a GCD in pvp, and unnecesary in farming/questing.
So I was thinking about switching a couple of talents from the balance- and restotree and place them in Feral, to get Feral swiftness and Feral Instinct for the extra stealth and runspeed in catform (wich I miss soooo much from my time as feral), and 10% extra armor is always nice even if its not super.
Talents canceled in the restotree mainly added regen (and regen-talents wich can be picked up in the balancetree anyway If I feel its needed), but im loosing 4% damage in this build wich ofcourse is bad but since this build is not about being 100% Maxed and only for fun I figure its just fine.
So this is my "Starfall, dots and wrath-spam with extra mobility"-build!
http://www.wowhead.com/talent#0xGfuicofd0VzRuxbGZf0c:iTZV0M
(last glyph left open, not sure yet)
So now: Do any of you run around with something simular? Have anyone tried moonkin/feral? Ideas suggestions etc!
Thx!
Post by
Moush
http://www.wowhead.com/talent#0xrbhiI0IdhVuRuZbxcub
I would go with something more like this for farming/questing/soloing. Lot of mana regen, and doesn't use IS or iFF. You really shouldnt be going into cat form at all as balance, except to run away with sprint. Bird form should be used for movement.
Post by
ljudsnubbe
http://www.wowhead.com/talent#0xrbhiI0IdhVuRuZbxcub
I would go with something more like this for farming/questing/soloing. Lot of mana regen, and doesn't use IS or iFF. You really shouldnt be going into cat form at all as balance, except to run away with sprint. Bird form should be used for movement.
Ok, thx for your answare.
However, Bird cant be used in BGs and sprint is on a fairly long CD so the extra runspeed in is something I really want to squeese in there if I doesnt gimp me to much (I loved it as feral-druid).
Your build have Eclipse, wich I (as written in the OP) think is a total waste while soloing/farming or in BGs, and it doesnt have Insect swarm (wich is super in pvp imo) nor Thorns (also great for pvp. stun-chanse, + addad dmg for thorns and tree-ants, yes pls!)
Celestial focus is kind of meh.. to me. 3% haste is good and all, but the pushback-resistance works for spells I hardly use anyway. Starfire have to long casttime, Hibernate is something a hardly ever use and when I do I dont need bushback-res on it. Its only on Hurricane I can see the point really, aoe-farming is great fun ;)
2/2 Imp MotW + 3/3Natures focus, or 5/5 Furor is of course a matter of taste and I prefer Imp MotW + Natures focus. Natures focus because I want at least a little pushback reduction on wrath and healingspells (since I didnt include Owlkin frenzy in my build) and Imp MotW gives me 2% extra to all stats all the time (and to all friends),+ more armor and resistance, instead of only 10% Int in moonking-form.
When it comes to tier 3 in the restotree Im only sorry about loosing the 4% spelldamage from Master shapeshifter.
Intensity and OOC is indeed great for regen, best talents for it if im not misstaken, but the regen-talents in the balancetree will probably be more then anough (+Innervate!) for farming/soloing. In BGs regen is not really a problem for balancedruids: either we die in like 5 secs, or we kill our enemys faster then we can go oom. Not sure about arena-moonkins, but in BGs Ive never been in a fight wich I lost becase I ran out of mana, when I loose its because I get nuked down faster then I can nuke down my enemy, or I get stunned/silenced/blinded etc & cant do $%^& while being hit at, or because I simply get zerged.
Maybe I could just skip all talents in resto for something like this, to get some pushback-res (owlkin frenzy) and some extra nuke in moonkin form (Imp Moonkin form, I got alot of spirit-gear):
http://www.wowhead.com/talent#0xGfuicoIdhAzRuxbG:iTZV0M
Post by
Moush
Or maybe you could make another boomkin or two so you can do everything you want to do effectively in 6 different specs.
It seems like you're going to do what you want no matter what gets posted here, and I wish you luck in your build. I only hope that no one else follows your scattered logic.
Post by
ljudsnubbe
Well, you didnt really answare any of my questions.
I asked for opinions on a balance/feral-specc and you posted a pretty standard "max-regen"-balance/resto-build. You even included Eclipse, a talent I quite clearly stated I think is completely useless for anything except raiding.
I thank you for answering, I honestly do.
In my reply to you I just wanted to say what I liked and didnt like in your suggested specc, allthough it was not whas I asked for at all.
It happenes alot on these forums actually, and I cant understand the point of it.
-Q "what is best for my class: weapon 1, or weapon 2?"
-A "weapon 3."
-Q "Ok, Ill try again since I dont raid (or what ever): 1 or 2?"
-A "weapon 4"
-Q "sigh..."
Back on topic:
Perhaps (or even most likely), my idea is just stupid, but I know there are quite a few out there running around with some sort of feral/resto-hybrids (wich I think is extremely wierd, but great!) so why not balance/feral?
So again: Have anyone tried Balance/feral?
Post by
Moush
When asking "what is best for my class?" There is only one right answer, that which is best. Misconceptions about what benefits the situation lead to A vs. B choices, when C is always the correct answer. You don't even consider that option even when confronted with it because you refuse to be wrong.
You're asking what is best build for three different things at once. You cling to your feral nostalgia for pvp, yet this would have close to zero benefit for questing.
Ferals subspec into resto because it is the best choice, and has tangible benefits (OoC, 10% damage, Master Shapeshifter).
For a balance druid to spec into feral talents, a fantasy land would have to be constructed in which 10% more armor and 115% movement speed in cat form outweighed OoC, Furor, and Master Shapeshifter.
And Eclipse is what makes a moonkin a moonkin. It's being built into our UI for Cataclysm for a reason.
Hint: everyone who wants to do damage takes it.
Post by
ljudsnubbe
When asking "what is best for my class?" There is only one right answer, that which is best. Misconceptions about what benefits the situation lead to A vs. B choices, when C is always the correct answer. You don't even consider that option even when confronted with it because you refuse to be wrong.
Answering C, in an A or B question is just stupid. Most if the time people ask that kind of questions because they just got a new weapon/armor and are not sure if its an upgrade of not, or maybe they are unsure if its worth farming a sertain hc/raid etc for an item etc.
-Q "I just ding 80. what is the best shoulders for a moonkin:
Spaulders of Krystallus
or
Purehorn Spaulders
?
-A "
Sanctified Lasherweave Mantle
"
Even if the answere maybe correct, answers like that is most likely irrelevant to the person asking the question
You're asking what is best build for three different things at once. You cling to your feral nostalgia for pvp, yet this would have close to zero benefit for questing.
3 things? Id say soloing/questing/farming are the same things, and then BG-pvp, so 2 things right?
You are right in one thing though, my feral-nostalgia, thats what started this mess (lol). However, even though I realize the talents in feral would have "close to zero benefit for questing", questing (farming dailys etc) is not really anything challanging and will not require anyone to have a 100% tweeked specc..
On the other hand, you too suggested a talentspecc with talents with "close to zero benefit for questing": eclipse, celestial focus, even taking all that regen-talants is also a waste. I have 0/3 dreamstate, 1/3 moonglow, 2/3 Intensity and OOC in my current specc and I hardy ever go under 75% mana. If I begin to drop I use this nifty litle spell: Innervate.
Ferals subspec into resto because it is the best choice, and has tangible benefits (OoC, 10% damage, Master Shapeshifter).
I know ferals do it that way, of course they do, I meant the healers that specc into feral. Ive seen a bunch of speccs going for both Tree of life and Feral charge. I got no idea how it works for them, but I love people trying out wierd speccs =)
For a balance druid to spec into feral talents, a fantasy land would have to be constructed in which 10% more armor and 115% movement speed in cat form outweighed OoC, Furor, and Master Shapeshifter.
OOC only helps with mana, Furor only brings... mana (and a tiny bit crit), but yes, you are right in your point about Natural shapeshifter. Oh and btw, Isnt this a game that takes place in a fantasy land? ;)
And Eclipse is what makes a moonkin a moonkin. It's being built into our UI for Cataclysm for a reason.
Hint: everyone who wants to do damage takes it.
No, Eclipse is not what makes us moonkins. Looking like big fat owls is what makes us moonkins. I do welcome the cataclysm-changes, very much, because right now I feel eclipse is useless for anything except raiding and even then the proccs get wasted alot due to movement-fights.
Or can you pls explain to me how eclipse is vital to you when you quest? I dont know about you but for me mobs die kind of fast without using it. Most of the time I just aoe-farm mobs, and of course eclipse does not bring anything there: If the mobs are to far apart I have to singeltarget-nuke them, making eclipce-proccs possible but for 90% of the time completely wasted.
If/when eclipse proccs it means I have hit it and critted with atleast 1 damaging spell, taking down a fair piece of HP. We simply do "to much" damage for having any good use of it in questing, where mobs have 12-20k hp and die in matter of seconds no matter of what spells you choose to use.
In pvp, eclipse of course have a tremendous power-potential, but have you ever tried getting an eclipsed starfire of while you got you target jumting like crazy around you? Stabbing, jumping behing you, interupting, breaking LOS, silences etc... Of course it happens I get one of and when I do Im a happy bird, but with casttimes like that and a big moon on top my head... Its just not that great for pvp, to easy to spot, and to easy to do anything about.
About the try on a balance/feral-specc for fun, I am aware it would not be optional in any way, nor was it ment to be. I was only trying out an idea, since I think the benefits from alot of the normally used balancestuff is not so good if you (like me) dont use your moonkin for anything advanced, like raiding or arena-pvp.
Moush, I understand you dont like the idea, and thank you for your replies
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ljudsnubbe
Ok Les, thx for your reply, always enjoy your oppinions.
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Post by
ljudsnubbe
Chillbilly:
Thx for your support about Eclipse being a waste for this kind of stuff. Also, nice to see someone understanding what my idea behind boom/feral was: for having fun.
I have actually tried my posted specc now, and while the the feral point (for extra stealth, armor, and run-speed) didnt add as much fun as I hoped for, I cant say I miss the points in resto at all, I dont even notice the difference to be honest. The regen from the few balancetalants are more then anough, and the 4% extra spelldamage from Natural shapeshifter only applies to when we are in moonkinform and the point about this specc is of course NOT being in moonkinform all the time. To be honest, I only have the talent to reach Typhoon anyway.
I will keep on experimenting, I was thinking about something like this:
http://www.wowhead.com/talent#0xGfuiMocd0VzoZxbGccrz:T
Loosing starfall is of course bad, but the idea of this specc is basicly to feral charge behind enemies and typhoon them of of cliffs (lol)
Les:
Ive tried a simular specc, and even though the Healing Touch-glyph is kind of hated, speccing like that is so much fun. Your specc is more offencive then what ive gone for before, Ive had something like this (optimised for maximum survivability):
http://www.wowhead.com/talent#0eMbuVcocdZZfVcuduxbzhh
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