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Post by
MyTie
it's also your right to believe the Earth is only 6 thousand plus years old heh.
Could it not be?
Possible... but not likely heh, but then again, no one ever gives an actual time for the days that God created the universe, until he say's 'Let there be Light', a day could have been a second or million upon millions of years heh.
Let's say it was 7 days, as the Bible says. Could the universe not be 6 thousand years old?
I've had this conversation before. Every time religion is brought up, Christians are caricatured as being unscientific baboons. Your next point should be to point out the speed of light, and the distance of far off galaxies, or the half life of radioactivity in lead, or something that would have had to been in motion for over 6 thousand years. There are plenty, take your pick.
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MyTie
And if you want to argue that the world is 6,000 years old then you really need to talk to some geologists, physicists, biologists and so on.
Here it is, lostguide hit the nail on the head.
How could I possibly believe that the universe is only 6K years old when the light from some stars and galaxies would have taken much much longer to get here, or perhaps we can look at the formation of the earth, as geologists would point out.
Here is my counterpoint:
Let's say, for illustrative purposes, that the Earth was created about 6K years ago by God, exactly as was written in the Bible. Let's say, for illustrative purposes, you hoped into a time machine and went back to the garden of Eden to 5 minutes after Adam was created. What would you see? A man, standing there, in a garden. His name is Adam. Ok. How old is he? 5 minutes. But, wait, he would HAVE to be sperm/egg to be 5 minutes old. Talk to any biologist, they will tell you that humans don't develop that rapidly. But, why would God have had to create him at the sperm/egg stage? Obvously God would create Adam at the optimum time for Adam to be alive, and survive in the garden. It also makes sense that God would create the universe at the optimum time for Adam to live in it.
I'm not argueing that this theory is 100% right, and you are 100% wrong. All I'm saying is that the possiblity
is
there, and probably more that we haven't thought of. To quote a geologist, or the Bible, and walk around with our chest puffed out like we have the answers, would be equally proud and naive.
Post by
Adamsm
Hey, I'm not a scientist, I just go with what we've learned from the bones of dinosaurs, and the actual study of the different parts of the Earth itself; I personally believe that there was some Great Creator out there, and that It was the one that started up the Big Bang and formed existence as we know it.
No one really knows, but the Dinosaurs themselves are something that point to the world being older then it is; and before you say it, yes, I know the Flood was suppose to have wiped them out as well, but that brings up even more questions; how did the early humans survive against them?
And of course, the one massive 'flaw' I personally see in the creation myth according to the Bible.... everyone came from Adam and Eve; so why are we all not inbred knuckle draggers who can't speak three coherent words?
Post by
Skreeran
Why my religion? Well, Atheism is a religion, but most people know that, so I'll go ahead and answer. I was a Christian until I was 16. Then I realized that there was absolutely no real evidence for what I believed, and I only believed it because my parents taught me it. So I stopped. Now I'm an atheist. If God came down to earth and gave me unquestionable proof of his existence, I'd believe in him. I'd have a lot of questions (What the hell, God?), but I'd believe in him.
Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on how you look at it), I have no reason to believe that he exists.
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Adamsm
And of course, the one massive 'flaw' I personally see in the creation myth according to the Bible.... everyone came from Adam and Eve; so why are we all not inbred knuckle draggers who can't speak three coherent words?
Incest doesn't necessarily result in retarded offspring; the genes are just kept within the family. The genes can mutate into new ones, whether it be good or bad, but no new genes are brought to the picture.
Maybe not... but they seem to show up more; look at the royal families.
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Orranis
@Adamsm
This is difficult to show either way. Judaism has only verbal records, and sparse written records of these eras. Certainly there were people who believed other religions at the time when I believed Judaism was in practice in a verbal form. To say that Ancient Egypt had their religions first, well, you'd have to show a difinitive date of the start of Judaism, and the former.
Either way, I believe that God created the universe, and started humanity on its course, as is written in the old testament, which are Hebrew works. I can't very well believe that there were religions around before this, when I don't even believe there were humans, can I? But as form written or difinitve proof, I have none. But its definately not a competition of which is the oldest. I just said I ruled out the young ones.
You obviously haven't studied Judaism very well. Considering Judaism could have said to be 'founded' by Abraham, many years after the birth of the world, or even Moses or Israel.
In fact, in Exodus it makes particular notes about Pagan faiths that had run rampant through the world.
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Adamsm
Maybe not... but they seem to show up more; look at the royal families.
It's true, the chance of it happening does increase quite a bit since the genes are always present in one form or another. Maybe they had as much faith in eliminating negative genetic disorders as they did in God, and it just didn't happen.
Heh possibly; but then again, it happened again; Noah and his wife and his 3 sons and their wives for after the flood to repopulate the planet... which is actually something taken from a legend/myth: Zeus did the same thing, saving two people and after the flood for that, those two wandered the countryside, pulling up rocks and tossing them behind them and wherever the rocks landed, people sprouted from those spots.
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MyTie
@Adamsm
This is difficult to show either way. Judaism has only verbal records, and sparse written records of these eras. Certainly there were people who believed other religions at the time when I believed Judaism was in practice in a verbal form. To say that Ancient Egypt had their religions first, well, you'd have to show a difinitive date of the start of Judaism, and the former.
Either way, I believe that God created the universe, and started humanity on its course, as is written in the old testament, which are Hebrew works. I can't very well believe that there were religions around before this, when I don't even believe there were humans, can I? But as form written or difinitve proof, I have none. But its definately not a competition of which is the oldest. I just said I ruled out the young ones.
You obviously haven't studied Judaism very well. Considering Judaism could have said to be 'founded' by Abraham, many years after the birth of the world, or even Moses or Israel.
In fact, in Exodus it makes particular notes about Pagan faiths that had run rampant through the world.
You obviously didn't read my post very well, or you'd notice that I never claimed that Judaism started with creation, but that the records of such were passed down through the people.
What does this have to do with the creation of the universe? Pretty much nothing but ad hominem. Good job!
Post by
Monday
If God created everything in the universe, he also created evil.Of course He did.
Doesn't make very much sense... why worship an evil god?
To appreciate the good there must be evil.
Opposition in all things makes you truly appreciate them.
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Monday
Yin and Yang; without evil, you cannot have good.
Pretty much yup.
I'm Mormon, and I freakin' believe in it because I was raised by parents who were raised on it, and I have no doubts about it. Well, maybe...
This makes us look really good >_<
Post by
MyTie
And if you want to argue that the world is 6,000 years old then you really need to talk to some geologists, physicists, biologists and so on.
Here it is, lostguide hit the nail on the head.
How could I possibly believe that the universe is only 6K years old when the light from some stars and galaxies would have taken much much longer to get here, or perhaps we can look at the formation of the earth, as geologists would point out.
Here is my counterpoint:
Let's say, for illustrative purposes, that the Earth was created about 6K years ago by God, exactly as was written in the Bible. Let's say, for illustrative purposes, you hoped into a time machine and went back to the garden of Eden to 5 minutes after Adam was created. What would you see? A man, standing there, in a garden. His name is Adam. Ok. How old is he? 5 minutes. But, wait, he would HAVE to be sperm/egg to be 5 minutes old. Talk to any biologist, they will tell you that humans don't develop that rapidly. But, why would God have had to create him at the sperm/egg stage? Obvously God would create Adam at the optimum time for Adam to be alive, and survive in the garden. It also makes sense that God would create the universe at the optimum time for Adam to live in it.
I'm not argueing that this theory is 100% right, and you are 100% wrong. All I'm saying is that the possiblity
is
there, and probably more that we haven't thought of. To quote a geologist, or the Bible, and walk around with our chest puffed out like we have the answers, would be equally proud and naive.
I love how when I state that "I am Christian and believe God when he said he created the universe in 7 days about 6K years ago", people jump on the oportunity to explain to me how lolwrong I am. Then, when I put forward a well thought out explaination of how such a thing could be possible, everyone goes real quite and changes the subject. It's the same thing every time this debate happens.
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