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Post by
wolfeyoung
/eats popcorn while watching the show
lol
Post by
GVHB
Just to clarify...
Corrupted Scarlet Onslaught
are created using the
Darkmender's Tincture
for the
From Their Corpses, Rise!
daily quest. They aren't crusader's pets, they are afilliated to the Knights of the Ebon Blade.
Post by
Rankkor
lol what the hell, dude check the onslaught Death knight page here in wowhead.
I made a neat clean well explained post about HOW they came to be.
they are NOT the same DK's that raid the scarlet enclave.
I won't waste time explaining it again, just read the explanation on the page here on wowhead dude, it's green for a bloody good reason, it's backed up by lore.
pls stop spitting non-sensical facts, if u can't even bother to do the research please restrain from smearing the lore.
first saying that Issillien is alive, and now this?.
come on dude here's the 4 words of how to win: DO-YOUR-FRIKKING-RESEARCH!
How do you know this? Where's your proof? And btw, DK's are technically undead, so yes, you could say there is no difference between a DK and the Forsaken. Both undead.
ok, here's our proof, have you actually hunted down these scarlet dks? have u seen a non-human? ALL OF THEM are human DK's.
and DK's arent thecnically undead, you don't HAVE to be undead to wield dark powers, just look at the necromancers, those are alive and can still use dark powers. I mean jeez, if u had even bothered to read the onslaught Death knight page, u'll see that they aren't even classified as undead, LOOL, they are clasified as humanoid, now try to deny THAT.
arthas himself was alive when he was a DK. he only became undead when he placed the helm of ner'zul in his head. the knight's of the ebon blade are all undead because they never "joined" the scourge, they are fallen heroes who got rezzed as undead in service of the lich king.
however the scarlet death knights are NOT created by the lich king, and thus are NOT undead.
and the corrupt onslaught thingie, those are created by players doing the ebon blade daylies, you kill them yourself, and then turn them into what they hate the most, a fitting end I say.
of course, if you don't kill these newly arrisen scarlets, their former brothers will, because again scarlets HATE undeads.
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91650
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Post by
Adamsm
Even if it did survive in some form.... they would still be as they are; racist bigots who kill anyone living or dead in there zealousness to wipe out the Scourge; they wouldn't suddenly do a 180 and become good and help us, all the good ones left the Scarlets to join up with the Argent Dawn/Crusade.Problem. This is how the core humans are supposed to be. The Scarlet Crusade and King Wrynn are the norm, not the extreme. Humans are racist, xenophobic, and extremely arrogant.
Which is why I'm still hoping the other faction bosses have Tyrande lure the prince off to a side room for some "special education" while Velen, Khadgar, Jania and Magni proceed to pound King Wrynn into a very thin jello. And then blame it on Deathwing.
Varian has no problem with the Night Elves, Dwarves, Gnomes, Draenei that make up the Alliance; he only dislikes the orcs. The Scarlets hate everyone that isn't human.
Post by
568685
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Post by
Rankkor
And comparing the Scarlets to Nazis isn't that compelling either; if anything, the Forsaken are the Nazi stereotypes of WoW
actually, both are similar to the nazis, with the exeption that there are some honorable forsaken who don't wanna kill everyone (leonid bartolomew rings a bell? no? how about trevor? that doesn't ring either?) you name me a scarlet that doesn't wanna kill every non-human.
the Scarlets don't want to annihilate every race on Azeroth with the exception of the Humans
WTF? the scarlets wanna wipe out all life in azeroth that isn't part of the crusade, even other humans, they hate everyone, if it's human but not scarlet, they kill it, if it's non-human (and thus not scarlet) they double hate it and kill it.
anything, the Forsaken are the Nazi stereotypes of WoW, the Forsaken have always been contemplating the Final Solution to the Living Problem. Sylvanas = Hitler with bewbs
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"OoOoOoh, they're racist, xenophobic, bigoted, zealous, intolerant, immoral, QQ QQ QQ"...Oh shut up, it's a bloody game! XD
isn't that a bit of hipocresy? you call idiots those who compare the scarlets to nazis, but you compare the forsaken to nazis too.
you're just being hypocrites
before looking at your brother's eye..... take a look at your own eyes.
The Scarlets would have little reason to continue being racist against non-Human Alliance races
unless......... gee I don't know, they are BRAINWASHED BY A DREADLORD! jesus, they left the boundaries of logic and reason a long LONG time ago, by now they are unredeemable nut-jobs, whenever a scarlet wishes to leave that organization they join the argent dawn. plain and simple.
Everyone's ignoring the most simple solution, really; an eventual Scarlet faction needn't be Human-only, just Alliance-only
that could work, if it wasn't for the fact that they are considered a notorious terrorist organization by the upper echelons of the alliance.
it's the same with the horde and the grimtotems, they are the tauren version of the scarlet crusaders, and they too are booted from the horde and considered an enemy of it.
both the alliance and the horde keep a representative of their enemy within them to keep'em on check (the alliance has brother corly on stormwind, the horde has magtha) but neither side accepts or embrace these radicalistic zealots among them.
Stop acting like college liberal choirboys, you're not going to get an award from the Southern Poverty Law Center for your moral panic over racism against fictional races.
bashing those who think diferent from you will not make you look smarter, or clever, much less improve the validity of your point, it only makes you look like a jerk, wich is the reason I've reported your post.
have a nice day.
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568685
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Post by
Adamsm
All I have to say, is what was said earlier; between Vanilla and the cleansing of Hearthglen to help Tirion get revenge on Islien for killing his son, to breaking the Scarlet's in Stratholme, to the Death Knight starting zone where you wipe out the Scarlet Enclave, then the quests for the Horde in Dragonblight and the wanted quest on Alliance side, and finally completely breaking the back of the Scarlet Onslaught in Icecrown.... the faction is gone; any that remain are there for the purpose of gameplay.
The 'good' members of the Scarlet's broke apart twice; once to form the Argent Dawn, then again after Tirion took over the reins and formed the Argent Crusade(those Scarlet's who didn't make it on the boats to Northrend, and escaped the final purge of the Enclave went to the Argents). The Scarlet's are a wiped out faction, they more then likely won't be used for a 3rd expansion for no real reason.
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568685
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Post by
Adamsm
That would be very compelling if the Western Plaguelands weren't going to be receiving a major overhaul, as we know is the case. The Alliance is intent on pushing into the place, hunting down the weakened Scourge and gradually healing the land (possibly with the help of the Cenarion Circle and other Druids). Thus, the Scarlet remnant is a potential ally to the Alliance. The Argent Dawn is cross-faction, concentrating on places like Stratholme and Scholomance; the Alliance-aligned Scarlets would specifically be used to attack both Scourge and Forsaken (more difficult to do while you're with the Argent Dawn, where Horde and Alliance hold hands and sing Kumbaya) and push into Tirisfal. It's so bloody easy, it's infantile. The Argent Dawn has a different mission and modus operandi in the Plaguelands, you can't expect the Alliance to walk up to them and say "Yo, help us push the Scourge and Horde out of Old Lordaeron". "Uh, sorry brother. That would put Argent/Horde diplomacy in jeapordy".
So are the Forsaken..... But, if your talking about Hearthglen being a place for the remnants;
between Vanilla and the cleansing of Hearthglen to help Tirion get revenge on Islien for killing his sonYeah, I'm sure they'll want to help the people who attacked and helped to destroy their town.
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568685
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Post by
Adamsm
Read the rest of what I put there lionsblood.
Yeah, I'm sure they'll want to help the people who attacked and helped to destroy their town.
Post by
Rankkor
leave it up addams, is not worth the aggravation, I expressed my point, dind't sank to the depths of insult and perjury or disrespected those who disagreed with me, that's more than can be said for the rest..........
is useless to try and be civil on this section of the forums......... again, is like talking to my mother-in-law.........
I may as well bang my head against a wall and would be getting better results.
you (addams) and me both have wielded rock-solid logic and reasons to express why is inconcibeable that the scarlets EVER become a friendly faction, our oponents only shoot blanks, no real logic, or hardened lore to back up their act.
I'll leave this in the open for those who wanna digest it:
with the exeption of the horde and the alliance EVERYTHING in this game is either black or white, there are no "shades of gray" here, exept for horde and alliance.
but the NPC factions are all either exclusively monster evil, or totally good and pure.
to pretend that there will be a friendly Scarlet crusade faction , is like pretending a friendly grimtotem tribe, or a friendly twillight cult, or a friendly cult of the damned, or a friendly burning legion for that matter.
is the same as pretending to have hostile evil taunka, hostile evil frostborn, hostile evil tuskkar, or hostile evil naaru.
Post by
338900
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Post by
Gnub
Just to add to the chaos, I too believe that the Scarlets will never be friendly, to anyone.
They might be more present at the new revamped Western Plaguelands, and we'll probably see more of them, sure, but that is still taking place before the Onslaught is formed. So well, nothing new there.
Also, is it too late to call Godwin's Law?
Post by
taurenmoo812
The scarlet crusade has been about the scourge and thats that. With the scourge defeated (as in under bolvar control now) any of them surviving would have nothing to work towards, and probably just end up killing each other anyway.
Anyway, scarlets are dead and done, like the scourge
Post by
Skreeran
Go ahead. Let them join the Alliance. I'm fine with that. The Alliance needs a crazy, bigoted, genocidal faction if we are saddled with the Forsaken.
Post by
Orranis
Go ahead. Let them join the Alliance. I'm fine with that. The Alliance needs a crazy, bigoted, genocidal faction if we are saddled with the Forsaken.
The Undead are hardly bigoted, considering they consider themselves 'cursed.' Crazy and bigoted? Alliance have plenty.
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361393
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