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Utah to criminalize some miscarriages.
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Hyperspacerebel
I said it once, I'll say it again:
Read the bill. You obviously haven't.
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Hyperspacerebel
How can this be proven?
You're asking how Criminal Homicide is proven? That's a category that has existed for a very long time.
Who decides this if this has occurred?
A judge and jury. Not a medical professional or psychologist.
Medical professionals and/or psychologists are always a part of cases that are relevant to their fields.
Who can come forward with an accusation of criminal homicide?
Anyone
Again, you're acting like that is something this bill is introducing. Um ,no, criminal homicide already exists.
This is something I have a problem with. It can too easily turn into a glorified witch hunt.
So can any other law.
Read the bill. You obviously haven't
Ok, I haven't. What gave me away?
You're quoting a news article and not the bill itself?
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Hyperspacerebel
@ HSR
Do you think it's fine that a pregnant women who accidentally slips on stairs and causes a miscarriage to be put in jail?
Another obvious sign you haven't read the bill.
Google only gave me news articles.
It's Utah House Bill 12.
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Hyperspacerebel
Another obvious sign you haven't read the bill.
Again: There's no way human can dwell into another's mind to see if she slipped on purpose or not. Which means this law is useless.
You're arguing against the concept of criminal homicide, not against the bill in question.
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Hyperspacerebel
If someone who is fully control of his mental capabilities decides to pay someone 150$ to "abort" her, and a video captures the whole situation - it should be dealt as illegal abortion (I assume there's a law already about illegal abortions, so this whole bill is useless).
Uh...that is the law that is being passed...
What are you trying to argue?
Lemme guess...you still haven't read it?
You're arguing against the concept of criminal homicide, not against the bill in question.I suppose I don't get the point here:
Your whole previous argument was based on the fact that we can't know if someone did it on purpose or accident. That is an argument against criminal homicide as a whole. How do we know person x intentionally hit the pedestrian? How do we know the hunter in the woods intentionally hit the other hunter? If you're really against criminal homicide, why all of a sudden go up in arms against it when it comes to abortion, yet you were perfectly fine letting it go in every other case for the last couple centuries?
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Monday
@ HSR
Do you think it's fine that a pregnant women who accidentally slips on stairs and causes a miscarriage to be put in jail?
That's not what the bill does >_<
Please, if you are going to make debate threads (
about where I live
) will you at least put thought into them?
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MyTie
This
took 5 seconds to find.
Being the debate please.
Edit: I find it funny that people would defend a woman's right to pay to have someone beat her up, so she could lose her baby. Liberalism never fails to amuse me.
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Hyperspacerebel
This
took 5 seconds to find.
Yeah, I was just reading that TBH. I was going to post the bill, but I didn't expect it to be so long.
Heh...long? That's a rather short one lol.
...politics...
:P
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MyTie
Do liberals also defend a woman's right to commit abortion by suicide? Who are we to force her to have a baby?
After a while, I just have to laugh at it all. Trying to make sense of it worked for a little while, then I had to try to argue sense into these blockheads. When that failed, I just have to laugh. What else can I do?
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Hyperspacerebel
Do liberals also defend a woman's right to commit abortion by suicide? Who are we to force her to have a baby?
After a while, I just have to laugh at it all. Trying to make sense of it worked for a little while, then I had to try to argue sense into these blockheads. When that failed, I just have to laugh. What else can I do?
You could start by not labeling them liberals :P
I'm liberal and I for sure don't advocate abortion.
Who are we to force her to have a baby?
Hm, I'm actually kind of confused here, MyTie. Have you had a change of heart? Do you see abortions as an okay thing now, if they're somewhat justifiable?
It's irony...
Apparently you've been away too long, MyTie.
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MyTie
Who are we to force her to have a baby?
Hm, I'm actually kind of confused here, MyTie. Have you had a change of heart? Do you see abortions as an okay thing now, if they're somewhat justifiable?
That, my friend, was sarcasm. You should be able to tell quite easily. If I say something idiotic, it is because I am mocking someone with sarcasm.
Abortion by suicide? Yuck.
Liberals murder their humanity to do away with their responsability.
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