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Post by
taurenmoo812
Rankorr your a horde fan boy
and now I'm extremely dissapointed. I expected name-calling from darkton, not from you.
I believed you were above name-calling............ I was wrong it seems.
I'm not above name calling when the time calls of it, but rather then deviating -
Something I've always found intresting in the whole forsaken argument. Everyone uses the forsaken as a counterpoint to saying because there under the hordes banner, then its the horde doing evil things because its the forsaken doing it.
But to me, it more reflects what humans in warcraft are capable of doing, more then races of the horde. Because after all, the forsaken are humans raised as undead, and regaining free will. Thus, even as damaged goods, doesn't there actions reflect what humans in azeroth ar capable of?
In that argument, if the worgen are the 'bad' element of the alliance, them being cursed humans, not unlike the forsaken, then that argument sits with what reflects in human nature in azeroth.
Post by
Adamsm
In that argument, if the worgen are the 'bad' element of the alliance, them being cursed humans, not unlike the forsaken, then that argument sits with what reflects in human nature in azeroth.More then just 'human' nature, not one race is completely good or evil, there all gray. The Forsaken get's hit with the 'evil' label because of what they do; if it was an Alliance race doing the same thing, they would still be evil, no matter what.
Post by
taurenmoo812
In that argument, if the worgen are the 'bad' element of the alliance, them being cursed humans, not unlike the forsaken, then that argument sits with what reflects in human nature in azeroth.More then just 'human' nature, not one race is completely good or evil, there all gray. The Forsaken get's hit with the 'evil' label because of what they do; if it was an Alliance race doing the same thing, they would still be evil, no matter what.
ah but most humans profess to be noble and rightous in all they do, but in lore not averse to things such as
this
, looking just as bad as those they hate.
Anyway you moved my point into being yet another alliance v horde pov, when my point was if the forsaken and worgan, who are cursed humans, are capable of doing terrible things, then its in human nature to do it, regardless how much its covered over with a white silk cloth.
Post by
Adamsm
Anyway you moved my point into being yet another alliance v horde pov, when my point was if the forsaken and worgan, who are cursed humans, are capable of doing terrible things, then its in human nature to do it, regardless how much its covered over with a white silk cloth.Well... that's what it is; your merely assuming that the Worgen are going to be equal to the Forsaken, that they are going to want to wipe out all of a certain race/what have you. All we know is that they are defending themselves from an attack by an invading force of walking dead, and if they had any encounters with the Scourge, they'll react that way.
To most, when someone saw a Forsaken when they first appeared, all they saw were Scourge creatures, they didn't realize they were 'free' so they reacted as anyone would have... especially as they couldn't talk common anymore for some messed up reason. Doesn't help that most of them seem to have a bit of left over Scourge inside of them(which was planted there by a human/orc hybrid), what with the kill all living humans thing.
I'm sure the Worgen, as lead by Graymane, a man who wanted to wipe out the Orcs after the end of the Second War is going to influence their actions, but it's too early to tell.
And the shades of gray are always going to exist Tauren, whether you want them to or not; Thrall is living proof of that; He was raised by a sadistic bastard who killed 'his sister', which should have let him see what he was allowing into his Horde when he made a pact with the Forsaken.
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451455
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Post by
Rankkor
Why? Because it is evil. Out of the endless number of your average evil Forsaken son of a $%^&*, High Executor Anselm stands out as one of the worst
why it's evil? because they kill your faction? again this is a war, killing soldiers on a battlefield is not a crime, it's part of survival, and the alliance has several quests that have you killing horde soldiers, heck there's even a quest in borean tundra that has alliance framing horde of killling magnataur leaders, so the magnataur invade a civilian town and murder everyone.
and that is not evil?
the quest of landing the killing blow is simply a quest of war, nothing more, you don't go out of your way to harm them or to kill civilians, you simply do what you have to for survival.
Out of the endless number of your average evil Forsaken son of a $%^&*, High Executor Anselm stands out as one of the worst.
why? because he's horde? he's actually one of the most noble forsaken you ever get to meet, heck when keleseth offers him a position as a scourge general wich is something anyone remotely evil would had accepted in the spot, he refused.
Have you talked to that guy and did the Vengence Landing quests?
dude, I'm a loremaster with 1 horde toon and 1 alliance toon., pleeeaassee.
He is almost as bad as Sylvanas
again, why? for being forsaken? he's an honorable dude, one who refused an oportunity a lesser being would had accepted in a heartbeat, because anyone truly evil would had jumped at the oportunity of being named a scourge general in the spot.
He even burned his own fallen commrades (Not that I have much pity for them) who died against the Stormwind Fleet to avoid the chance of them becoming Scourge
and cremating the bodies to prevent them from being risen is evil why? they are dead already, the only good thing that can be done is spare them the shame of being reanimated as scourge, if it was an alliance general orderign the same thing you wound't had called it evil, but sicne it's a forsaken and u're extremely biased there u go.
Anselm orders the Forsaken to ambush a Alliance fleet from behind, and then the survivors show up and fight back, even though they had no chance at winning, but fought anyway.
the forsaken arrived first, and established the town of vengeance landing, then the north fleet shows up and prepares itself to build a base less than a stone-trow next, you tell me what they should had done?
again this is a war, if you already have a base in a region and you spot an enemy armada with intentions of building up a base right next to yours, the most stupid course of action is to let them build it, because once they are garrisoned in, and fully entrenched they have a higher chance of expelling you from your base.
if a horde fleet was suddenly on it's way to darkshore with intentions of building a new base near auberdine to keep a closer check on the alliance, would it be ok to let them doit? that's nigh-elven territory ,if the elves launch a preemtive strike against the fleet and sink it before they can reach land that can't be called evil, after all they are being invaded.
same goes for the forsaken, like it or not, they reached vengeance landing first, it's the north fleet's fault to get pwned for going there in the first place, a smarter admiral would had spoted that the zone was colonized and turned the fleet arround and land somewhere more safe.
if you play with fire u're gonna get burned.
Dude... that quest to skin the orc sergent was leetsauce. He was about to kill a human just because she was human. He deserved to die, and be skinned. Its amazing how the same human he was going to kill stopped us from skinning him... oh well, as long as we killied him :P.
Typical Garrosh crone...
And I don't know if you knew this or not, but Grizzly Hills has a lot of attacking other fraction quests for both sides. They even made an achievement if you do them all.
you completely missed the point there.
you mark the quest of landing the killing blow as evil, because we kill a bunch of alliance soldiers who steped into our territory, but when the situation was reversed that is not evil? on grizlly hills the quest to kill conquest hold soldiers is because they are steping into your territory.
so......... if horde invades alliance lands, and alliance fights that's not evil......... but if alliance invades horde lands and horde fights back they are evil bastard sons of b1tches...............
and you say u're not biased?
COO-COO-COO-COO
Ok, suuuuure. Its not rumored, the only reason we have to think that is because a bunch of Horde fan boys want them to be evil. There is not a drop of reason why Gilneas worgen are evil anywhere. Blizzard said nothing of them being evil at Blizzcon. They said they are planning on making a interesting race out of them, not some stand up for hordies to use for calling the Alliance evil
/facepalm, again with the name-calling, you really don't learn do ya? needless to say u're reported, but again:
Forsaken=cursed human, ends up REALLY messed up.
Worgen=Cursed human: posibility of being messed up= extremely high, chances of being normal holy crusaders= almost non-existant.
at this point nothing is confirmed about the worgen, wheter they are evil or not, that is why is called a RUMOR! as in unconfirmed, not yet proven.
Hur hur, I remember when thechamp first came back, you said something like "Woot! Finaly a Alliance-fan who is not an idiot", and ArgentSun deleted it later.
After that, in the thread about blizzard going to far with getting rid of Thrall, me and thechamp were on the same page.
Funny how things can turn out.
exactly, u're a new kid here so u dont know about this, but thechamp and myself had a lot of debates LONG before you joined this forum (and ruined peace on the process) and back then he was above namecalling, he never resorted to insults of any kind and was a fair debater with an open logic.
things have changed now I see, I expected something as low as name-calling from YOU, who have done nothing else since september 2009, but not from him.............. you and he may be on the same page, but he used to be mature enough to never insult his rivals on a debate.
I hope that little name-calling back then was an isolated incident, as I actually respect thechamp's opinion and mature nature when debating. it would be a shame that in the long months he's been away he transformed into darkton2. with 1 we have more than enough.
Post by
Skreeran
Meh, Supremacy remains my favorite Alliance debateer. No offense intended.
Post by
Adamsm
Meh, Supremacy remains my favorite Alliance debateer. No offense intended.
He is the best heh.
Post by
Monday
Why? Because it is evil. Out of the endless number of your average evil Forsaken son of a $%^&*, High Executor Anselm stands out as one of the worst
why it's evil? because they kill your faction? again this is a war, killing soldiers on a battlefield is not a crime, it's part of survival, and the alliance has several quests that have you killing horde soldiers, heck there's even a quest in borean tundra that has alliance framing horde of killling magnataur leaders, so the magnataur invade a civilian town and murder everyone.
and that is not evil?
Testing poison on innocents is though.
Post by
Skreeran
Why? Because it is evil. Out of the endless number of your average evil Forsaken son of a $%^&*, High Executor Anselm stands out as one of the worst
why it's evil? because they kill your faction? again this is a war, killing soldiers on a battlefield is not a crime, it's part of survival, and the alliance has several quests that have you killing horde soldiers, heck there's even a quest in borean tundra that has alliance framing horde of killling magnataur leaders, so the magnataur invade a civilian town and murder everyone.
and that is not evil?
Testing poison on innocents is though.But Anselm never did that, as far as we know.
Point is: Landing the Killing Blow is not necessarily evil. We're not talking about the other quests listed.
Post by
Monday
Why? Because it is evil. Out of the endless number of your average evil Forsaken son of a $%^&*, High Executor Anselm stands out as one of the worst
why it's evil? because they kill your faction? again this is a war, killing soldiers on a battlefield is not a crime, it's part of survival, and the alliance has several quests that have you killing horde soldiers, heck there's even a quest in borean tundra that has alliance framing horde of killling magnataur leaders, so the magnataur invade a civilian town and murder everyone.
and that is not evil?
Testing poison on innocents is though.But Anselm never did that, as far as we know.
Point is: Landing the Killing Blow is not necessarily evil. We're not talking about the other quests listed.
Ah missed Anslem, I thought this was just Forsaken in general.
Post by
Rankkor
yhea, this isn't about forsaken in general, this is about the quest "landing the killing blow" and about anselm.
the quest is not evil, because that's the job of soldiers, to fight so taht civilians don't have to.
any quest that asks you to harm or kill civilians is evil, no matter the faction (and yhea I'm well aware that there's a lot of quests in tarren mill that ask you to kill civilians, and yhea those ARE evil, really evil)
but landing the killing blow is a quest that asks you to kill soldiers who are invading OUR territory, just as in grizzly hills there are many quests that ask you to kill horde soldiers invading alliance territory.
anselm is in fact quite an honorable guy, first for caring enough about his own dead troops to order us cremating the bodies to prevent the enemy from using them, and secondly for refusing the offer made by keleseth.
seriously, any evil guy would had agreed imidietly at the chance of not only join the scourge but actually join as a frikking general.......... comanding an army of vyrkul in battle, anyone with an ounce of evil would had accepted such a deal.
anselm didn't and that shows both loyalty and honor.
Post by
Monday
I am going to say its evil, afaik there aren't any Alliance quests in Howling Fjord to kill Horde troops. (None that I have seen anyways, I haven't quested there much).
Post by
451455
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Post by
Adamsm
I am going to say its evil, afaik there aren't any Alliance quests in Howling Fjord to kill Horde troops. (None that I have seen anyways, I haven't quested there much).
Oh there is heh; we attack the Four forsaken tanks that are spraying poison into the Vyrkul village, and we bomb one of the towns to destroy the vats.
Post by
Rankkor
I am going to say its evil, afaik there aren't any Alliance quests in Howling Fjord to kill Horde troops. (None that I have seen anyways, I haven't quested there much).
(there arent' I've gained loremaster with 1 alliance toon and 1 horde toon)
but bro' just because there are no quests of alliance doing the same thing doesn't mean landing the killing blow is evil.
because really one has to defend their territory, that's all, plain and simple, if horde invades alliance lands, it's the alliance's right to defend themselves, and them killing horde soldiers is not evil.
this works the other way arround, if alliance invades horde lands, it's the horde's right to defend themselves and them killing alliance soldiers is not evil.
if the quest landing the killing blow had asked you to kill civilians, now THAT would had been evil, no matter what the situation, if an invation force shows up, killing the soldiers is fine, but killing the non-combatants is both dishonorable and evil, the correct thing to do is let them go.
but there are no non-combatants in the north fleet, all of them are sailors, marines, trained armsmen, with military rank.
if the forsaken hand't launched the preemtive strike, they would had landed in vengeance's landing, compromising the forsaken's foothold in the land.
forsaken arrived first, they get to keep the land, just as humans got first to daggercap bay and it's their land.
if the north fleet wanted to prevent total anihilation they should had plotted course to valgarde, as the rest of the stormships did, they litteraly plotted course to vengeance landing looking for problems..........
well, they got what they asked for.
Post by
Monday
Darkton, cut it out. That's all I'm going to say or else I might start shouting.
There's a time when arguing for the Alliance turns into "That guy's horde so I'll argue against him no matter what! And insult to!" and it is often when you are around.
Edit: However Rank, Valgarde was there first, not Vengeance Landing.
Valgarde has been around since the Third War, and basically all of Howling Fjord is their land, seeing as how they;ve had it for 5 or so years.
Post by
Rankkor
admit you're an idiot
actually i'm gonna do what funden said, and ignore you, u're not worth my time, and don't bother posting something self-righteous or whatever, Im just gonna see the blue skull and ignore it completely.
I don't need this, I don't need you.
and u're reported again, keep pushing it kid, please do.
Post by
Skreeran
He is telling you to go kill a bunch of people because they are on the other team, even thought they did nothing wrong. This is not a war, he just chose to start one.We don't know who started the fight. All we know is that the Alliance and Horde were fighting when our characters arrived in Howling Fjord. Thus, Anselm treats it as a battle, and doesn't pull any punches.
Because he is a genoicdal maniac.Says who?
Our mission in Northrend is to destroy Arthas
.
The Alliance are but an obstacle
that we'll crush wherever we find them.
He refused the offer because he had no reason to accept it. That would be like saying Arthas is nobel because she turned down the Burning Legion. Anselm simply chose freedom over slavery.
Fighting against scum does not mean you aren't scum.It wouldn't have been slavery. Keleseth offered him a position as general in a much more powerful army than the one he's already in.
Why? I just *!@#ing told you, he attacked people from behind for no reason. THAT ISNT HONORABLE. Read what I said above, if someone evil would join another evil organization, Arthas would have joined the Burning Legion.Prove that he started the fight. I've done this argument before. We don't know who started it.
Once again you don't have the slightest clue what your talking about and are saying a bunch of random crap.Sigh... See, that's just uncalled for.
Post by
Monday
I am going to say its evil, afaik there aren't any Alliance quests in Howling Fjord to kill Horde troops. (None that I have seen anyways, I haven't quested there much).
Oh there is heh; we attack the Four forsaken tanks that are spraying poison into the Vyrkul village, and we bomb one of the towns to destroy the vats.
Didn't know that... I must do it on my DK tonight... Course its Forsaken, need I say much else?
And yes I hate Forsaken in general. There are some good ones, but out of the Horde they are the only race I dislike.
Edit: And Darkton, being a general in the Lich King's army is in no way slavery, not even close. They are immensely powerful
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