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Hyperspacerebel
I didn't ask about "right" nor did I ask about what you believe.
I find this who situation hilarious.
How about I just assume you said it?
So, now let me ask will my wholesale slaughter of people named victoryoordeath be wrong (absolutely)?
I'll just assume your answer here too.
So, what justifies me getting punished for it? Aren't the punishers no more justified than me? So isn't the banning of / attempted prevention of murder something hypocritical?I still haven't said it and I won't say it since there are no absolute morals. And I too don't care what do you believe.
You don't believe in absolutes morals, therefore you won't say "X was not wrong absolutely"?
That's one helluva logic gap.
The belief and will of the majority distinguishes the punishers from the punished. And the power that comes with majority consent. I personally believe we should never use the death penalty, no matter the crime. But the majority in my country overrule me, so we have government sanctioned killings. But if the same majority were to sanction people running around and slaughtering people with little or no consequence, then that would be the way of things. I could believe (and would) that it was wrong, but I'd be one voice among many.
Where do you draw the line? 500,001 people think x, and 500,000 think not-x then x is therefore acceptable? What if one guys switches over...does it then become not acceptable? How is x even affected by that one person anyways?
You're just creating an arbitrary system.
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Hyperspacerebel
I think mass-slaughter of people named victoryoordeath is wrong because I've been raised into this society and environment with certain moral-codes.
I don't care what you think.
If that's all you're going to say, don't bother. I'm not asking for what you think.
Ok long post but I hope this elaborates my thought about the absolute morality.
Again, I don't care about your thoughts.
If there is no absolute morality, then is it not true that Hitler's mass slaughter of Jews was not wrong (absolutely)?
Look at the question. Is there any mention of thought or belief?
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Hyperspacerebel
@HSR this is last night all over again. It's running in circles. I've done everything and I still don't get it. Hitler's slaughter was bad from my pov, wasn't bad from hitler's pov, but I can not speak of moral absolute since
there's no such thing
.
So then, why are you so reluctant to say that it's
not
wrong absolutely?
Essentially you're refusing to confirm your own conclusion.
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Hyperspacerebel
He and I have both said it's not absolutely wrong because there's no such thing.
I'm perfectly fine with you arguing your own position but please don't argue his. He himself said:
I still haven't said it
Please, prove there is an absolute right and wrong.
I'm not proving or trying to prove anything, I'm trying to get victory to admit what follows from his line of reasoning.
Well there's nothing to stop people from thinking it wasn't wrong.
So? My question still stands.
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Hyperspacerebel
Honestly I don't know what's wrong with you two.
You keep repeating your universal premise over and over, yet you continue to deny it in the a particular.
You can't have it both ways.
And for the last time. I'm not asking about what people think. So don't keep trying to use it as an answer.
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Hyperspacerebel
And for the last time. I'm not asking about what people think. So don't keep trying to use it as an answer.... Morals are specifically tied to what people think.
Not when they're in the negative. I already said that.
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You clearly need a balance of liberal and consevative. Absolute Conservative= Totalarian and Absolute Liberal= Anarchist
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Hyperspacerebel
Not when they're in the negative. I already said that.I don't remember you saying anything like that, and even if you had, I'd ask you to explain
why "they" aren't tied to what people think when "they" are on the "negative"
?
Yes you can.
It's called talking in the negative.
Reading. It's your friend.
Please explain what it is you want me to say.
I don't want you to say anything. I was having a discussion with victoryoordeath and you jumped in and started saying things he didn't say.
You clearly need a balance of liberal and consevative. Absolute Conservative= Totalarian and Absolute Liberal= Anarchist
Uh, no. It doesn't work like that.
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