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Post by
Hyperspacerebel
No they don't. "Rights" change all the time and are different in different places. People don't share the same views of what is a right. I believe there was a similar discussion on the absolute morals - thread.
So, whites had a right to enslave blacks? Aryans had a right to kill Jews? Communists had the right to kill dissenters?
No, no, and no.
Africans had just as much a right to their own freedom as they do now. Jews had just as much a right to their lives as they do now, politicians in Russia had just as much a right to their own views as they do now.
I ask you again. Are you saying the Holocaust was not bad?
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Post by
Hyperspacerebel
I don't care what you or anyone
thinks
.
Was is bad or not?
I'm just waiting for you to admit that your system makes the answer to have to be no, it was not bad.
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229791
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Post by
faceroll
Hitler is a ninja.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
I don't care what you or anyone thinks.
Was is bad or not?
I'm just waiting for you to admit that your system makes the answer to have to be no, it was not bad.Is it bad or is not bad is relative to the one who's trying to decide if it's bad or not. I think it was bad. Hitler didn't.
I already told you I don't care what you think. I don't care what Hitler thought.
Was it bad or not?
In an absolute sense.
It's either one or the other. It can't be both. So pick one.
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229791
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Hyperspacerebel
I already told you I don't care what you think. I don't care what Hitler thought.
Was it bad or not?
In an absolute sense.
It's either one or the other. It can't be both. So pick one.I disagree that it's an absolute sense. I don't think there's a god or something that made it absolute.
There doesn't need to be a $%^&ing god. Is it absolutely bad or is it not absolutely bad?
It can't be both.
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229791
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Hyperspacerebel
There's no absolute good or bad.
And what does good have to do with my question?
There are 3 different options: good, bad, and amoral. I'm just asking whether it's absolutely bad or not. I already know your answer, I just want to see you say it.
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Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Here's what I want you to say:
Hitler's mass slaughter of Jews as not wrong (absolutely).
You seem to have trouble getting it out...I don't blame you. You know it's not true, but you can't deny it given everything you've said so far.
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Hyperspacerebel
@ HSR
I've fell down of this conversation 1 page ago. I'm not understanding why you don't get it or why I don't get what you're trying to say here. I have no honest idea how can you conclude that
I think
holocaust wasn't bad from the things that I've posted so far; I thought I'd already have explained everything about this issue but you still seem go on with it. So...
Good night.
Way to ignore the question, holmes.
Post by
Orranis
Here's what I want you to say:
Hitler's mass slaughter of Jews as not wrong (absolutely).
You seem to have trouble getting it out...I don't blame you. You know it's not true, but you can't deny it given everything you've said so far.
Wow... Hyper, the Hitler card? Really?
You are having a complete lack of doing anything but getting stuck in your own mindset.
You cannot ask us, what some might call, moral nihilists whether it was bad absolutely, simply because we do not believe in moral absolutes. You could ask us whether it was bad objectively, but not absolutely.
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374287
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Hyperspacerebel
Wow... Hyper, the Hitler card? Really?
You are having a complete lack of doing anything but getting stuck in your own mindset.
You cannot ask us, what some might call, moral nihilists whether it was bad absolutely, simply because we do not believe in moral absolutes. You could ask us whether it was bad objectively, but not absolutely.
Have you been paying attention to the discussion? We've been talking about Hitler for almost 2 pages now.
If you don't believe in absolutes, you would have to agree with the above statement. It's a very simple concepts...if you don't believe in absolutes, Hitler was
not
wrong absolutely. Yet you guys seem unable to admit so.
Secondly, objectivism is just as opposed to victoryoordeath's position as absolutism.
I believe it was a bad thing to kill jews, dissenters in Soviet Russia, and is generally bad to kill anyone without good cause. What a good cause is might be different between any two people, because bad and good are not absolute. At least I don't believe they are. You obviously do Hyper, and that's great. The difference is I can admit my viewpoint is just that, the view of a single imperfect and (in the grand scheme of things) ignorant individual.
I'm not asking for what you think or believe. So don't even bring it up.
I'm asking whether something is or is not.
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Hyperspacerebel
@ HSR
If you don't believe in absolutes, you would have to agree with the above statement. It's a very simple concepts...if you don't believe in absolutes, Hitler was not wrong absolutely. Yet you guys seem unable to admit so.
If you seriously are going with that, I could say:
Hitler was neither right or wrong absolutely since I don't believe in absolute right or wrong.
I didn't ask about "right" nor did I ask about what you believe.
I find this who situation hilarious.
How about I just assume you said it?
So, now let me ask will
my
wholesale slaughter of people named victoryoordeath be wrong (absolutely)?
I'll just assume your answer here too.
So, what justifies me getting punished for it? Aren't the punishers no more justified than me? So isn't the banning of / attempted prevention of murder something hypocritical?
I'm saying there is no right or wrong, only what you believe. Even if you say there is that's still only your belief. You can state it is absolutely so and it's not a matter of belief, but the fact remains that others will disagree with you. It's not a measurement, we don't have a goodness/evilness scale you can hold something up against other than people's beliefs. You can't have a discussion about right or wrong without bringing up belief.
Yes you can.
It's called talking in the negative.
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