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leonheart87
So, back to the point, 3 people going vegetarian is one way to save 8 people dying from starvation.
Only in theory.
In practice, you save nothing. The animals still die and the humans still starve.
The only way to see any changes would be mass vegetarianism. Ironically, killing more animals.
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Post by
Strand
I'm in my 30's and I'm a vegetarian. Have been for over a year now and I like it. But if there is one thing I hate, it's people who preach the goodwill of vegetarianism to others and think they know better. Drives me nuts.
And I can post links too:
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=grill
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Nitewalkr
I'm in my 30's and I'm a vegetarian. Have been for over a year now and I like it. But if there is one thing I hate, it's people who preach the goodwill of vegetarianism to others and think they know better. Drives me nuts.
And I can post links too:
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=grill
.....consider it a preaching for a greater good. I dont know much about vegetarianism but I am planning change my diet. For one this thread did inspire me a little to eat vegetables.
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Nitewalkr
Here's my take: Eating meat is part of life. The cavemen didn't evolve into what we are today because they only ate plants. I'm not saying they should or shouldn't have, I'm just saying it's the natural human thing to do.
If we evolved not eating meat then wouldn't eating a dead cow seem much more bizarre than what vegetarianism is today?
I mean, if we grew up not eating meat, who would accept meat-production factories as normal? I didn't grow up not eating meat, but I can't honestly say I think slaughtering animals in a factory and then eating them is normal or acceptable.
Er, if we didn't eat meat, then our brains wouldn't have evolved to be as sophisticated as they are today. The brain takes a lot of energy to sustain itself and meat provided the majority of the proteins and other molecules required for it to have its burst in size.
Without it, you probably wouldn't be thinking about what's 'right' or 'wrong' but rather relying on instincts, like most other animals.
Protein shake, Eggs, and red beans, are the alternate to that then! Right? Or would you rather have a big ars juicy beef stake of some cow which was productive, alive and breathing.
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pezz
he professed to enjoy improved health, reduced weight, etc, from meals consisting of coffee, the occasional grapefruit, and a nice steak, presumably rare.
Reduced weight could also be from eXercise and/or a high metabolism. There are too many factors in my opinion to compare a meat-only diet and a vegetarian diet in health terms.
If this is true that he 'enjoyed improved health,' he is still hurting the environment at a faster rate, which I think is selfish; Improving his health at the cost of more animals and the environment.
Also, if this was a viable diet that everybody used (meat-only), we would be in a much worse state than if everyone went vegetarian.
So a vegetarian diet is a healthier diet than an omnivorous diet, which presumably means it's healthier than a carnivorous diet. But a healthy carnivorous diet can result from exercise and other factors. This means it's not what you eat, it's how you eat it and what else you do with your life. So your claim about healthy diets is wrong.
Also, no I will not give up juicy, overpriced steaks and I really don't care how many animals died to put them on my table. You may say it's easy to stop eating meat but I don't think you live in New Orleans.
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Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Yes you can. We have naturality, social standards and then morals. Just because we can think above naturality doesn't mean that we don't like to abide by it.
Not if there is such a thing as a 'fallen human nature.'
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Hyperspacerebel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_nature#State_of_nature
The
Views which see humans as inherently bad
and
View which sees humans as having a "wounded human nature"
subsections.
I'm in the latter camp, if you were wondering.
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Post by
Adamsm
I love my meat, but I also eat a lot of pasta and vegetables; I don't think I could survive on a vegetarianism diet.... I tried it once, and by the end of the first week I said that's enough, no more, I'm a carnivore through and through heh.
In other words; let people eat what they want, if they die, that's more space for everyone else, and more rabbit food for you veggie heads.
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