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105944
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Post by
Ippon
http://www.worldoflogs.com/rankings/players/Icecrown_Citadel/Rotface/25N/Combat_Rogue/
See the name at #1?
Guess which skill doesn't appear anywhere in that log.
You.
Are.
Wrong.
Feel free to continue failing miserably at refuting the truth though, it's fun.
Post by
YagoXiten
I'm level 75 :P so your lists don't matter. If Shiv had no uses, they'd remove it. The reason you have a variety of skills, is so that you can choose your own way to play. I could care less about your 11k dps or whatever, I'm a level 75, and I do not go running around in ICC etc. gear rubbing it in level 75's faces.
Also I believe you are a Combat rogue, thus, you do not have my talents etc. My way of playing is just different.
I'm.
Not.
Wrong.
See, I can type fun also.
Post by
Ippon
I'm level 75 :P so your lists don't matter. If Shiv had no uses, they'd remove it. The reason you have a variety of skills, is so that you can choose your own way to play. I could care less about your 11k dps or whatever, I'm a level 75, and I do not go running around in ICC etc. gear rubbing it in level 75's faces.
Also I believe you are a Combat rogue, thus, you do not have my talents etc. My way of playing is just different.
I'm. Not. Wrong. See, I can type fun also.The difference in our typing of course, is the fact that I'm right, and you're terrible at the game.
"Poorly" is indeed different than "excellently", so you are correct in the fact that your way of playing is different.
See, the irrefutable fact here is that I'm one of the best rogues in the game, and I clearly know how to play the class. You're a level 75 terrible scrub that has no idea what he's doing and can't play well at all. Again though, please continue entertaining me with your explanation of just how bad you can be at this easy game while being a unique snowflake.
Post by
YagoXiten
All snowflakes are unique, that statement was fail in itself. I am always top DPS in the Wotlk dungeons if been running nonstop, on trash and bosses. I was beat once by a Elemental Shammy, he beat my by about 200 dps ( he had 1300 i had 1100) Also your a Combat rogue, I'd imagine that that means that you have a slightly less understanding of Assassanation (you could have dual i suppose) and again 11k dps although very very very impressive, does not mean that you know everything. I have tried not using shiv, i come out less than normal.
Post by
Ippon
All snowflakes are unique, that statement was fail in itself.Grats on failing at figures of speech. I didn't coin the phrase.
I am always top DPS in the Wotlk dungeons if been running nonstop, on trash and bosses. I was beat once by a Elemental Shammy, he beat my by about 200 dps ( he had 1300 i had 1100) Also your a Combat rogue, I'd imagine that that means that you have a slightly less understanding of Assassanation (you could have dual i suppose) and again 11k dps although very very very impressive, does not mean that you know everything. I have tried not using shiv, i come out less than normal.A) Grats on beating other retards that have no idea how to play. I assure you I would dominate you.
B) I
assure
you
I can
play
Mutilate
just fine. (Those are all #1's, in case you're lazy)
C) I was doing 2500 DPS easily at level 70, though I admittedly have no idea what I would do in a 5 man, because there was no reason to ever run them.
Post by
YagoXiten
You were also probably much better geared, and that was before the new rogues reduced DPS, or did you not get that memo?
I never said you couldn't play Mut, i figured so, like i said could be dual speced.
You also have probably been playing since about Wotlk came out- alot of changes have been made since then.
I understand figures of speech. That one just fails. Its already saying what it means, without using anything figuratively. Figuratively would be like "flying" somewhere when you go fast.
Post by
Ippon
I've been playing since Vanilla beta. Also, since you seem to have missed it, rogues got buffed from where we were in BC. By quite a lot, actually. I gained 300+ DPS when 3.0 came out before Wrath. So again, grats on being wrong. At least it's about something slightly different this time!
And again, it's not my phrase. But here's a picture:
http://maripossa.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/unique_by_krash.jpg
Post by
164509
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Post by
Ippon
Shiv has its uses in PvE. For instance, Gunship Battle in my 10 man group where nobody applies a bleed. Shiv allows me to waste 1 combo point on a rupture to refresh HfB instead of 3 from Mutilate. It also costs less energy. I also use it on boss fights when HfB running out does not coincide with a Ruthlessness proc, which means I either shiv a combo point on to refresh HfB or wait another 4-5 seconds to reapply HfB.
Not every fight is a static dps race. That's like saying that Feint sucks in PvE. Will you use it on fights like Saurfang and Patchwerk? No. Will I use it on Festergut before he releases his gas, when Emalon is about to cast Lightning Nova? Yes. Will I use Shiv to help me reapply HfB quickly in 25 man? No. In 10 man? Yes.Even in that case, you'd be better off not Shiving, FYI.
It's a useless skill in PvE.
Post by
YagoXiten
That was not what you said. You said that i was unique snowflake. That fails as it is true, not figurative. Also, they recently nerfed rogues bout a couple weeks ago that is the nerf, and again, lots and lots of changes since then. I'm not wrong, you have not recently done a 70 some rogue from the way you speak.
Post by
Ippon
That was not what you said. You said that i was unique snowflake. That fails as it is true, not figurative. Also, they recently nerfed rogues bout a couple weeks ago that is the nerf, and again, lots and lots of changes since then. I'm not wrong, you have not recently done a 70 some rogue from the way you speak.
It doesn't fail, as it's a generally known colloquialism. The actual veracity of the phrase is not the least bit relevant. So again, grats on failing at figures of speech.
They recently nerfed rogues to only be considerably better than we were when Wrath launched, instead of ridiculously better.
What's the score now? Gotta be at least 5-0 in my favor.
Post by
YagoXiten
There is no scoreboard last i checked, I also use Shiv as Linithia does. The reason it fails, is because it wasn't an kind of insult etc. it was just... there... it was intended as a slashing remark, but It failed as it was a true statement and thus you just repeated what I said. Does DPS matter at level 75 in blues and greens from qeusts and instances matter? I'm not level 80, I'm not doing 25 mans.... but 5 mans. As to that nerf, it WAS major... reducing what was OPed to what is now normal and fair makes a big diffrence. If someone is keeping score I have about 7.
Shiv's awesome as a utility skill, a filler, and is cool in general.
Shiv ftw.
Post by
Ippon
It's cool if you want to be terrible. That's about it. I have some actual work to do now, so you'll have to continue failing on your own. Later, scrub.
Post by
YagoXiten
I guess I win then. Case closed- shiv rocks, and I can play. Btw i ran with a 297 dpsed hunter that was a total idiot....he didn't ever touch steady shot... ever.. and his only skill was arcane shot... yeeeeeah........
Post by
105944
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Post by
YagoXiten
The reason there is a final talent, is because its useful. Not everyone in LFD is terrible. Shiv is not useless, it can give maxium stacks of DP when i have 4, and need the last, or give a needed Rupture. I'll do just fine in 80s, its not hard to do damage. I'm not at all worried. I'm going to rock playing just the way I like. As far as the scoreboard I didn't contradict myself, I said last I checked no one is keeping score, then I said IF someone IS then I have like 7. That word If. See it? Check it go ahead IF is present in that statement. Nothing wrong with HfB and as to the cookie cutter thing, just because its common practice it doesn't make it best, in fact from what I've seen its just a mix of passive talents and doing things like using every single socket for stuff like attack power, and ignoring the socket bonuses and seems very horribly constructed. Build a solid rotation that works, and doesn't just get its power from raw stats and spamming a skill. That is a lot of what happens and its just fail. Disagree if you want, that's your opinion and your welcome to keep it. As to the "saying it doesn't make it true" comment, that works nicely in my favor as well. Saying Shiv sucks doesn't make it true. Neither does saying that being unique in my rotation makes me fail. Not necesarily true, and I have played with several very talented people (like the elemental shammy) and I was very close to his DPS.Cataclysm is really going to mess with things for the cookie cutters- they will be changing a lot of the passive talents. I have said things to support my claim, like the Rupture comment, or using it for instant procs when I have low energy, and max DP stacks. Last I checked doing an offhand attack, causing an instant proc, refreshing DP, maxing combo points, and finishing with a powerful envenom, isn't bad, for a measly 3?(7) energy.
I'm my spec because I like it, every last point. It's a game. Have fun or don't play. I enjoy my style, so I'll stick to it. Good Luck to you gingerbread man, but I've things to do.
Post by
KidB
Shiv is for all intents and purposes a damage loss for pve. There is not a single occasion where shiving won't yield a dps loss, whatever the little people inside your head may be saying.
Your playstyle is outdated
(well, after actually bothering to read your other posts, I see you're not 80 yet) and I'm pretty convinced that you're a bad player considering the overwhelming evidence you've provided so far. You shouldn't have a say in anything that matters until you reach max level and get a clue.
The cookie-cutter specs are cookie-cutter and most popular for a reason. There is no way to improve them further.
Post by
YagoXiten
I know how to play. The argument is wheter or not Shiv has a use. It does, and it doesn't' HAVE to drop DPS its where, when , and how you use it. Its not my main attack or anything like that.
I easily top the charts, I know im not 80, thats a bit diffrent- I'll agree, but not so much diffrent. Same thing: killing. I'm tired of defending Shiv. It has some uses and is not completely USELESS.
Post by
KidB
It has uses. They are in pvp when you need an emergent reliable way to put a snare on your target. Shiv doesn't have a use in pve at any level. It WILL reduce your dps because it's damage per energy is horrid. You're ALWAYS better off spending energy on a mutilate or sinister strike.
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