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What makes Aff and Destro better in PvP than Demo.
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Post by
Infleto
I want to take a look at why Deep Demo falls short in 2v2 and 3v3 arenas.
First what makes the other 2 specs viable in WotLK arena PvP?
Control,
Warlocks can all ways have one person locked down form the other team at any given moment. CC'ing healers and burning their team-mates puts them behind in Healing. Burst healing is then needed to save a team mate. For some classes this is in the form of a CD and is less mana efficient. CC can also force trinkets, CDs, and GCDs to be used in a less productive way.
CC’ing DPS can relieve presser from your healer. This can give your team time for CDs to come back, opens up time for drinking, and gives you more room to cast.
Both Aff and Destro has a slow effect to help counter melee.
Destro has a AOE stun that can be used to allow free casting time for a Fear or Immo. Destro can use the succubus to cc while casting.
Aff has an instance cast AOE fear. When fighting melee standing on the other team’s healer and using HoT will all ways end with all of the other team in running away in fear do to melee following you.
Aff mostly uses the Felhunter, Adding a 10sec CC to any one using cast-time spells.
Demo has 2 stuns one on a 30sec CD that takes a lot of pet control and is hard to use at the time you need it. Using the pet’s stun opens up time for Fear or SB cast, but should be used when in Meta to max time on target with IA up. The other is on a 2.1min CD and should me used as an anti-kiting tool to max time with IA up. Glyph of Shadow Flame is a big help Vs mages who try to kite you.
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Damage,
Aff has uses 3 spells with cast times of less than 1.5sec (Haunt, UA, and Fear). Aff Has a, random proc, 30% hast buff to cut cast times. All other spells used by Aff in PvP are instance cast. UA counters dispels on Dots and fears.
Destro has 3 spells with cast times of less than 1.5sec (CB, Immo, and Fear) Only increate has a long cast time and can be instance cast with Back Lash. Destro has a, on demand, 30% hast buff to cut cast times. Fear can open up cast time for Immo > CB > conflag combos. (fear will brake after CB)
Demo’s has Shadow bolt with a 2.5sec cast. All Dots are open to dispells. One priest and a pillar stops Demo’s out of Meta Damage. Fear is incompatible with Demo’s main burst, IA. Fear will send the target running away from the warlock.
Being cc'ed when in meta hurts but is not the killer of the spec, SB's cast time and no dispell protection is. With the change to MC in 3.3 the lack of dispell protection will hurt even more.
What are some more things that work against Deep Demo locks in PvP? What comp can work around the shout comings? I tried to find the Hight rated Demo lock but I can not find one. Rouge / Demo lock can hit 2k there was a warlock here on wowhead who did it.
Post by
abulurd
quick search on youtube pulled up this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMRKze6nU3Y&feature=related
as the highest rated demo lock, didnt really feel like digging through stuff.
the other thing that hurts demo is they can't burst like destro, and they can't keep up steady pressure like affliction.
basically i cant disagree with anything you wrote, maybe add a silence or more hp to the fel guard for pvp would help, something like that.
Post by
Infleto
thiees type of threads all ways turn in to a "give demo this" thread, lol.
I am at work so I will check your link when I get home.
I used Demo in a demonic beast cleave team (Meta / BM Hunter / (resto) Shaman) with some success. We used Shaman and Lock cc on the healer and one DPS, then Trained the other dps using Meta, pet stuns, and DC to lock the kill target down. the Hunter's job was just to burst. I cc'ed any one who trinked.
Warlock and pally teams made my eyes bleed.
And when starting out on my Druid / Warrior team. We got smashed by a Druid / Meta lock team. It was back in the 1.6k ratings. The match took longer than 10mins or so.
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Infleto
I could never hit 2k as demo.
I really did not find my self cc'ed that much in meta. I just could not do any damage out of meta. We tried locking down who ever can cc me. Yet, It may be that at >2k most people do not think they just hit keys until something dies.
did you use somthing like this?
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#IZ0GbhkAdizsxdAoVf0q0h:dpj
I did, but my SP was hiting for 2k. with crits of 5k-ish. With 28k hp Warriors sitting on me it just did not work
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