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Adamsm
Let's answer the easiest first:
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Why is it that the Lich King, with both military teachings from Ner'zul and Arthas' past, not realize that sending his armies in full-force against the heroes is a better idea than having the heroes face his generals one at a time?Because that wouldn't be fun.
He killed his dad. What purpose did he think that would serve?A test of loyalty from Ner'zhul, and a chance for his own madness to finally take revenge on his father for ignoring him and not believeing him.
He united himself with Ner'zhul. Why? Didn't he understand he would be put in charge of what he tried to stop?As soon as he picked up Frostmourne, he lost his soul, so working as the Lich King's newest Death Knight was fine to the prince.
Is the Lich King alive or undead? The Wrathgate Cinematic didn't clarify this, by the way- the plague was meant to kill everything.The Lich King is the Armour, not the body.
How can a small band of heroes take down the presumably "immortal" Lich King?Through blood, thunder, magic and working together.
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HiVolt
I, unlike some of the faithful followers, did not play the old Warcraft games. While I am familiar of Arthas' corruption into the Lich King, I don't understand this;
He killed his dad. What purpose did he think that would serve?
He united himself with Ner'zhul. Why? Didn't he understand he would be put in charge of what he tried to stop?
Is the Lich King alive or undead? The Wrathgate Cinematic didn't clarify this, by the way- the plague was meant to kill everything.
How can a small band of heroes take down the presumably "immortal" Lich King?
Why is it that the Lich King, with both military teachings from Ner'zul and Arthas' past, not realize that sending his armies in full-force against the heroes is a better idea than having the heroes face his generals one at a time?
Am I over-thinking it?
It would allow him to become the King of Lordaeron.
Yes, he did understand it. He did not care at that point, because he only cared for more power.
The Lich King is undead. The Blight affects all things, living and dead.
The same way a small band of heroes can take down a Dragon Aspect. (Malygos)
That is the sixty-four million dollar question isn't it?
And no, you're not over-thinking it. The last one is purely a game mechanic, nothing more. If the lore were to progress through an RTS rather than an MMO, we'd likely see exactly what you described.
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Skreeran
technically he's still alive because well he never really died.Oh, he's dead.
He cut out his own heart.
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BuryYourDead
Allow me to answer. Eastern Kingdoms and Kalimdor alike were under attack from the scourge/Legion. During stratholme, Arthas met Mal'Ganis, a dreadlord behind the scourge. Arthas followed him to Northrend where he met Mauradin Bronzebeard and his expidition. He and Mauradin found Frostmourne and Arthas said "I would gladly bear any curse to save my people". He took the sword and killed Mal'Ganis. THEN Ner'Zhul began talking to him through the sword, turning him mad. He wanted to become king so he killed his Father, giving himself the King, and raised Lordaeron, becoming the then leader of the scourge. He then killed the Paladin of the Silver hand to get an Urn to carry Kel'Thuzads remains to ressurect them at the sunwell, hense the mana addicted elves since their pool became corrupt. Lordaeron became the Undercity.
Illidan then made an attack on the Frozen Throne, which cracked the ice and Ner'Zhuls power leaked through and the only way to save it was to reunite the Helmet with the sword and rest of the armour, which Arthas had. Being the leader of the scourge, he travelled to Northrend, where he met Anub'Arak who helped him reach the Frozen Throne quicker. Arthas, or the Lich King IS dead. He only ever had ONE fight where he was nearly killed. This was against Illidan. The Lich King then came to the conclusion that it was his heart holding him back, so he cut it out.
In Rise of The Lich King, Arthas, in his mind sees The Lich King, Ner'Zhul and Matthias Lehtner. Matthias is whatever is left of Arthas, all the 'Good' that he was. He killied Matthias Lehtner, then killed Ner'Zhul. So the Lich King is niether of them, although he hols both there memories.
In WoW, anything is possible. In Hallsof reflection, the instance, we fight Lich King at the end, where Frostmourne is kept. Speculation is that we somehow weaken Frostmourne there, and them take it on from that. And even the most smartes of people must use tactics. You would think the paladins oof Stormwind could send a good few out to completely wipe Plaguelands, but even they arent that suicidal. The best Paladins make the best Death Knights.
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Allow me to answer. Eastern Kingdoms and Kalimdor alike were under attack from the scourge/Legion. During stratholme, Arthas met Mal'Ganis, a dreadlord behind the scourge. Arthas followed him to Northrend where he met Mauradin Bronzebeard and his expidition. He and Mauradin found Frostmourne and Arthas said "I would gladly bear any curse to save my people". He took the sword and killed Mal'Ganis. THEN Ner'Zhul began talking to him through the sword, turning him mad. He wanted to become king so he killed his Father, giving himself the King, and raised Lordaeron, becoming the then leader of the scourge. He then killed the Paladin of the Silver hand to get an Urn to carry Kel'Thuzads remains to ressurect them at the sunwell, hense the mana addicted elves since their pool became corrupt. Lordaeron became the Undercity.
Illidan then made an attack on the Frozen Throne, which cracked the ice and Ner'Zhuls power leaked through and the only way to save it was to reunite the Helmet with the sword and rest of the armour, which Arthas had. Being the leader of the scourge, he travelled to Northrend, where he met Anub'Arak who helped him reach the Frozen Throne quicker. Arthas, or the Lich King IS dead. He only ever had ONE fight where he was nearly killed. This was against Illidan. The Lich King then came to the conclusion that it was his heart holding him back, so he cut it out.
In Rise of The Lich King, Arthas, in his mind sees The Lich King, Ner'Zhul and Matthias Lehtner. Matthias is whatever is left of Arthas, all the 'Good' that he was. He killied Matthias Lehtner, then killed Ner'Zhul. So the Lich King is niether of them, although he hols both there memories.
In WoW, anything is possible. In Hallsof reflection, the instance, we fight Lich King at the end, where Frostmourne is kept. Speculation is that we somehow weaken Frostmourne there, and them take it on from that. And even the most smartes of people must use tactics. You would think the paladins oof Stormwind could send a good few out to completely wipe Plaguelands, but even they arent that suicidal. The best Paladins make the best Death Knights.
A lot of this is misleading.
Kalimdor was untouched by the Scourge at the time of the Exodus of the Horde, which is exactly why Medivh told them to go there.
Arthas was chosen to be the Lich King's champion, and eventual physical host, long before he ever picked up Frostmourne, otherwise why would the Legion weaken the Eastern Kingdoms when no living thing there knew of Kalimdor and the World Tree, which was the Legion's eventual goal in the Third War.
Ner'Zhul thrust Frostmourne through the Frozen Throne to land in the Dragonblight, where Arthas would find it. Using this tool, Ner'Zhul and Arthas slew Mal'Ganis, which would be The Lich King's first sign of betraying the Legion that created him. This is how the Throne was cracked, not by Illidan's hand.
Arthas has faced defeat several times as a Death Knight at the hands of King Sunstrider, Kael'Thas, and Sylvanus, and typically only deus ex machina has saved him. And as The Lich King, he's been forced to flee on two occasions or else he would most definitely have fallen.
The Lich King is honestly not all that powerful in himself, he is an Orc Shaman, mixed with a sub par Paladin, with a few Burning Legion Trinkets empowering them. This is not a formula for a being stronger than a Naaru or Dragon Aspect.
And Arthas cut his heart out because it was allowing him to still feel, particularly Illidan's immolate spell, he "felt" that without pain he would be invincible.
From what I remember, in Wc3, Arthas though that he would only be cursed, not turned into a Death Knight. In other words he would be a martyr for his people's salvation.
Unless that was changed with RotLK.
In RotLK nothing changed, Arthas had to defeat the Northrend Reverants that were guarding the sword, and as he approached it, Muradin read from the sword's base how as the sword rends flesh, it must also scar the soul. Muradin is then said to be impaled when the sword's prison shatters. He doesn't fully become a Death Knight until sometime before he returns to Lordaeron, sadly the book does not explain the process.
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This is how the Throne was cracked, not by Illidan's hand.
One source says that it was Illidan, while the other says it was Ner'zhul. I believe that the newest source is a combination of both: Illidan made things worse.
Aye, Ner'zhul created the first crack when he forced the sword free of the block, but Illidan's spell caused more damage.
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Kalken
Kel'thuzad says himself, to Arthas, that the Scourge was meant to destroy anything that could oppose the invasion of Kalimdor, specifically the northern Alliance.
The Alliance did not even know of Kalimdor at the time of the invasion. Medivh tried to tell them to flee to a western land but many thought it suicide. If the Scourge/Legion had struck at the world tree first, the Night Elves would've been their only foes.
One source says that it was Illidan, while the other says it was Ner'zhul. I believe that the newest source is a combination of both: Illidan made things worse.
In RotLK, which I see as the definitive source, it is explained that the Sword was what left a hole in the Throne through which the Lich King's power was seeping. Though I had forgotten about the earthquake.
This subpar Paladin defeated the combination of the strongest mortal warlock ever to live powers, a powerful night elf sorcerer and a demon hunter.
If you are referring to Kel'Thuzad (who is a necromancer, not a warlock), he let Arthas kill him because he knew he would be raised as a Lich with amplified powers as well as immortality.
I can't recall a time Arthas fought a member of the Highborne so I'll assume you meant High Elf. As a Paladin, Arthas could never hope to kill Kael'Thas or his father, he says so himself, as the Elves have literally centuries of experience to use against him. As a Death Knight, and by using Frostmourne, he only manages to defeat them.
The same goes for Illidan, he only matched his power as a member of the Scourge holding an Artifact blade. And he only survived the second match with Illidan by cutting out his heart.
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