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Adamsm
I doubt it; Garrosh is taking over after all, and he's not a peace maker. No one knows where Saurfang is in Cataclysm, so he's not able to make good on his promise.
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EpicDragon
I doubt it; Garrosh is taking over after all, and he's not a peace maker. No one knows where Saurfang is in Cataclysm, so he's not able to make good on his promise.
Indeed, Garrosh will never make peace. Anyone think blizzard changed the leader because Thrall was a little too friendly?
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Monday
Varian declares war on the horde.
Is there anything more to say?
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Kalken
I think Varian's speech after the gunship battle is just so Blizz can save their character. After the Wrath Gate, Ulduar Trailer, and now the Tournament fiasco, Varian just seems like the George W. Bush of Stormwind.
I foresee The Cataclysm occurring after the Horde and Alliance territory grabs (Ashenvale, Camp Turajo, etc). Afterwards the factions will be reluctant to help each other, but sometime around the first content patch Thrall is going to return with the rest of the Tirisfal council and bring peace nearly to a reality.
Some things just don't add up in a completely blood thirsty Horde. The Goblins are brought into the Horde instead of shunned and the Tauren take on the new life as Sunwalkers which is the exact opposite of a malevolent Horde.
I could see Garrosh dying in a duel with Saurfang, Varian, or a newly empowered Guardian Thrall in the first or second content patch. The character to too new and in my opinion lacks the story that his father had, he is very expendable.
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Adamsm
Afterwards the factions will be reluctant to help each other, but sometime around the first content patch Thrall is going to return with the rest of the Tirisfal council and bring peace nearly to a reality.I can't see that, mainly because one of the major conflicts is Hyjal, where Thrall and Malfurion are suppose to be working together to fight back Ragnaros.
Guardian Thrall
This is the New Guardian
not Thrall, that rumour has been finally debunked.
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taurenmoo812
I think Varian's speech after the gunship battle is just so Blizz can save their character. After the Wrath Gate, Ulduar Trailer, and now the Tournament fiasco, Varian just seems like the George W. Bush of Stormwind.
I foresee The Cataclysm occurring after the Horde and Alliance territory grabs (Ashenvale, Camp Turajo, etc). Afterwards the factions will be reluctant to help each other, but sometime around the first content patch Thrall is going to return with the rest of the Tirisfal council and bring peace nearly to a reality.
Some things just don't add up in a completely blood thirsty Horde. The Goblins are brought into the Horde instead of shunned and the Tauren take on the new life as Sunwalkers which is the exact opposite of a malevolent Horde.
I could see Garrosh dying in a duel with Saurfang, Varian, or a newly empowered Guardian Thrall in the first or second content patch. The character to too new and in my opinion lacks the story that his father had, he is very expendable.
I totally agree with this.
Although I am a true horde fan, I do not feel the need for the senseless and pointless warfair that takes place, which only would lead to the same mistakes of the past being repeated, and more pointless death and ruin for both sides.
When you have characters like Thrall and Jaina, doing what they can for there people to secure a future, and then you have Garrosh and Varian trying to cause more bloody warfair for pointless reasons (and they are pointless, its less about what makes sense and more about 'lol me own you' crap).
I also agree what you said about Varian in icecrown and saurfang. it was blizzards attempt to save him from being expendable, by suddenly changing his around from being an orc hating rageaholic, to suddenly having a moment of clarity. Its complete crap, but, and this is the ironic bit, all the alliance fans who took wind of the fact what he said, they know are saying 'See, he is a good leader!' essentially admitting he's been a terrible leader thus far.
Icecrown doesn't change anything, Varian will still be an orc hating idiot, Garrosh will still have zero reason to go to war, but will do anyway, and every gamer who cares more about senseless warfair then actual characters will be having wet dreams with cataclysm.
I just like your idea though, that content patch later, Thrall comes back and rips Garrosh a new hole, or Saurfang keeps his promise.
(Btw, anyone who mentions here something about saurfang dying in icecrown, no, it doesn't happen, your just reading what every other idiot assumed happened)
Guardian Thrall
This is the New Guardian not Thrall, that rumour has been finally debunked.
/facepalm.. are people still believeing that whole thrall as the new guardian thing? seriously?
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taurenmoo812
Wow Darkton. You know I said I would lay off you because the last time you came to someones thread to post, you got it locked in starting something (and yeah, it was you, not the evil people around you again).
So lets go at it then -
Yes, because the Forsaken have been trying to grind humanity to destruction for years. Your point?
Wrong way round again dark, how about not dodging the pieces of lore here you don't like to acknowledge, and remember it was humanity that wanted to wipe out the forsaken first, they simply are retaliating.
Its pointless in Horde players eyes, who still feel like they did nothing wrong, even though thier leaders have been pretty much begging the Alliance to fight back.
'Course, you are soooo sure its pointless, and since you're acting as stubborn as a mule, I know better then to try and change your mind
You sir, have nothing to speak of in a generalization of horde players, since you've never played the horde, or proven to have done. To which it makes anything you say to the contrary null and void.
Fail^
Yeah, Varian is a good leader. No matter who, this just shows that he is not going to strike a innocent person. He is a great character, truly sad at those who will blog until the end of time about him being a bad leader. Varian never did anything wrong, and you guys act like that is some kind of change. Like you were suprised at the whole "Lo'Gosh to Varian" thing, you are now acting suprised about this. Nothing about Varian has changed, he has always been a defender of the helpless, and now still is.
The problem is that people who think the same as you think they are 100% right, and feel like there must be an explaination when they are wrong.
Oh I'm sorry, I must have insulted your varian persona again. You do take it quite personally when someone insults him don't you?
All this was nothing more then a method to keep varian from becoming an expendable asset. Also pretending that Varian was all roses and sunshine before when he wasn't, I'm not sure if your either that much a varian fan, or a member of the scarlet crusade, lol.
No, Icecrown proves everything. You just won't admit it.
Varian would not have gone to war for no reason, and this proves he is acting on one. You just can't admit he is a good guy, you just could not relate to him a little, you just go on acting like you know everything and that your always right.
News Flash: Your Wrong
Ooooh I'm wrong, I see.
So he hasn't decleared war on the horde then? of course he hasn't. And he listens to what all his allies tells him too, of course he does. Can he produce gold eggs too?
Sorry dark, but the one sided opinion of a varian fanatic is hardly any ground to stand on in terms of character development.
Such insencitivity....
insensitivity*
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Kalken
Guardian Thrall
This is the New Guardian not Thrall, that rumour has been finally debunked.
/facepalm.. are people still believeing that whole thrall as the new guardian thing? seriously?
Seems I'm a bit behind the times, I was still under the impression that Garrosh took over Org after Thrall left to become the new Guardian and this would lead to Cairne's murder. Seems I should read a bit more before posting.
I am curious though, why is Garrosh given so much influence and power? Wasn't he a cowardly leader of the Mag'har in Burning Crusade, spurred only by the player's actions? I find it odd that he has been shoe horned into a Varian antithesis role after Varian himself proved to not be the Alliance version of Thrall.
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Adamsm
Heh, don't feel bad Kalken, then finally made Med'an guardian in the most recent issue of the Comic.
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Adamsm
im waiting to see what more is released about what steps the other leaders will be taking in cata seeing we only know a few but with a guardian being named and the whole varian not so bad bit idk if this was attempted repair or they're going to have varian act like he did pre-kidnapping in route to the peace meeting in theramore if so then that would be a nice change. also i do hope garrosh gets impaled.Agreed, I'm tired of the Human leader acting like a rage-aholic; I'm hoping this starts a turn around period, with him still at War against the Horde(under Garrosh) but willingly to work with Thrall's. And I like the way it's going with Med'an and the Council(which are going to be in Cata).
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