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Adamsm
Can see the trolls reacting poorly to Sen'jin getting swamped as well.
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HiVolt
The thing is, what we're seeing is an overall trend of increased aggression from the Horde.
I have a very hard time believing that it will only be the Grimtotems, Warsong, and Forsaken catering to this.
True, the Trolls have picked up the new-agey ways of thinking from Thrall... but they are still Trolls. I could imagine that calling a Troll too weak to defend his home (really hurtful for the Darkspears especially) would be akin to calling an Orc a coward.
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Adamsm
True, the Trolls have picked up the new-agey ways of thinking from Thrall... but they are still Trolls. I could imagine that calling a Troll too weak to defend his home (really hurtful for the Darkspears especially) would be akin to calling an Orc a coward.Yeah.... but this is the same tribe that's been letting itself get pushed around for years. The Darkspears, in the eyes of the other troll races, are the 'weakest' ones after all.
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HiVolt
They are the least vicious of the Troll tribes, but I'm not trying to say that they would instantly become the most bloodthirsty either.
Hrmm, perhaps the Forsaken comparison was a little off, but that was hastily written.
Maybe more like the Grimtotems... with less of a superiority complex.
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Adamsm
So, going back to the original thinking, the Amani being the Azeroth version of the Ogres, what race does that make the Darkspears back on Draenor then?
Post by
HiVolt
I would rather use the reference to mean all Trolls are like the Ogres of Azeroth, rather than trying to figure out all of the distinctions.
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Adamsm
I would rather use the reference to mean all Trolls are like the Ogres of Azeroth, rather than trying to figure out all of the distinctions.
I don't know... I mean, just by comparing the different tribes you see it; the Forest and Jungle trolls seem to be at the top of the heap(even with the Alliance/Horde cutting them down), and the lesser tribes fight to gain the same kind of influence they have.
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HiVolt
I would rather use the reference to mean all Trolls are like the Ogres of Azeroth, rather than trying to figure out all of the distinctions.
I don't know... I mean, just by comparing the different tribes you see it; the Forest and Jungle trolls seem to be at the top of the heap(even with the Alliance/Horde cutting them down), and the lesser tribes fight to gain the same kind of influence they have.
Oh yeah, I'm not arguing that, it's just that it would be pretty tough to find an equivalent race/Ogre clan for the Darkspear...
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Adamsm
Mok'Nathal? Before Rexxar takes over it I mean.
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HiVolt
Mok'Nathal? Before Rexxar takes over it I mean.
Maybe. But does that really reflect the station of the Darkspears before Thrall?
I would think it's closer to one of the smaller Orcish or Ogre clans.
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Adamsm
Well, they let their cousins the Jungle trolls kick them out of Stranglethorn without much of a fight. Then settled on the island and lived peacefully till the Murlocs and Sea Witch showed up and started slaughtering them wholesale. Then the humans showed up, and did the same.... and it still took the Orcs to make them finally fight back for real against a pair of threats that they should haven't had any trouble just wiping out.
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HiVolt
Well, they let their cousins the Jungle trolls kick them out of Stranglethorn without much of a fight. Then settled on the island and lived peacefully till the Murlocs and Sea Witch showed up and started slaughtering them wholesale. Then the humans showed up, and did the same.... and it still took the Orcs to make them finally fight back for real against a pair of threats that they should haven't had any trouble just wiping out.
How does this relate the Darkspears to the Mok'Nathal though?
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Adamsm
The Mok's(except for Rexxar) were the 'pacifist' clan. They didn't enjoy battle and sat out the Wars rather then fight.
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HiVolt
Hrmm... I need to bone up on my Mok'Nathal knowledge.
Yeah, I guess that would work then... but I don't think that your assessment of the Darkspears just being pacifists is correct.
The Darkspear Tribe was the smallest of the Jungle Troll tribes. They got pushed out because of it, and they weren't equipped to fight off the Human invaders and the Sea Witch's minions all at once. They fought back, but were failing at it.
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Adamsm
Heh, you asked lol. Most of the Mok knowledge is on Rexxar's wowwiki page; the rest of it is just the updated stuff for BC and the like.
But, I know they weren't pacifist like the Mok's are, but the Darkspears didn't fight very hard against their brethren while they were pushing them out, then they had been living in peace too long before the Witch and the Human's showed up. So, like the Mok's, they dropped down in status among the other clans/tribes, which means they have a lot of clawing to do to get back up there. Rexxar is the reason for the turn around of his clan, without him, they would still be the same they were before the wars.
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HiVolt
We don't know how hard they were fighting to keep from being pushed out of their homes. I would think that much of the reason that they were the smallest tribe is due to that fighting.
It wasn't about them not wanting to fight, it was about them wanting to live. When faced with the decision of moving vs. dying, I would take the former.
And I also think that they were just outmanned and outgunned when it came to their later troubles. They are Trolls after all, they shouldn't make that much of a jump from being bloodthirsty cannibals to being flower-picking hippies. You're implying that a bit of decadence set in when they didn't have anything to fight on their island, and that may be true, but it's not the main reason they were failing.
I think it's a good comparison though, Darkspears = Mok'Nathal.
What does that make the Tauren?
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Adamsm
What does that make the Tauren?Hm, Draenor side? I'm almost tempted to compare them to the Draenei in all honesty. Fought in the War of the Ancients, forged a fairly large clan land for themselves up to the point the Centaur tribes rose up and struck back, driving them across Kalimdor to finally finding help and comradeship from the Orcs.
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