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Post by
oneforthemoney
Or he might pull a Mannoroth on Gul'dan, though I would prefer otherwise.
Also, Archimonde. Called it.
Post by
Rankkor
Or he might pull a Mannoroth on Gul'dan, though I would prefer otherwise.
I don't follow.
Also, Archimonde. Called it.
Yes you did :) grats.
Post by
oneforthemoney
Or he might pull a Mannoroth on Gul'dan, though I would prefer otherwise.
I don't follow.
Redemption through explosion of bad guy.
Post by
Rankkor
Or he might pull a Mannoroth on Gul'dan, though I would prefer otherwise.
I don't follow.
Redemption through explosion of bad guy.
ahhh gotcha.
Well, some preliminary info on 6.2, covered under standard spoiler tags of course:
So Varian and Vol'jin actually make it to Draenor, and yes, the alliance and the horde ARE in fact officially working together on this (Ashran is presumably non-canon) and much to my disappointment, we don't enter Tanaan through those big-ass gates on Talador, nope, we go by water, eventually assaulting the very docks we used to flee the place when we arrived. Despite the Dark Portal (now for some reason called "The Black Gate") being destroyed, there's still a remanent of power there, and gul'dan has it guarded by orcs day and night.
The alliance and horde establish new bases on tanaan, Lion's Guard for the alliance, and Vol'mar for the horde, ironically in the exact same spots as Honor Hold and Thrallmar respectively on Hellfire Peninsula =P
The Iron Docks are now full of fleeing Iron Horde soldiers that refused to follow Gul'dan. Not only that, the other Iron Horde dissidents who refused to obey and drink are being held captive in the citadel and on the jungle.
Kazzak is back, and in the Throne of Kil'jaeden. Also mannoroth must have several metric gallons of blood on his body, because there's a veritable gushing torrent of it permeating a good 40% of it.
The temple of Sha'nar however is in the hands of the Sargerei.
Post by
Stabhorn
Awesome references to BC aside, I'm surprised that Mannoroth is going to return in some form (again.) I also think it's interesting that Gul'dan might outlive Archimonde, despite the huge power differences. Guess he's just good at hiding. This is looking like the end of the Iron Horde, unless Grom somehow pulls it together. I don't believe that this will be the last tier.
(And where are all those Iron Horde refugees going?)
Post by
Rankkor
I also think it's interesting that Gul'dan might outlive Archimonde, despite the huge power differences. Guess he's just good at hiding.
Its not about who's more powerful, but who's more cunning. Archimonde is a brute. He's neither a strategist, nor a clever planner, hell, any of his minions that fail him are killed instantly, and he's not very patient. He's way below Kil'jaeden who is a master strategist, manipulator, and who never kills a useful tool as long as its still useful. This is why Archimonde will likely die before Gul'dan does, powerful as he may be, he's still just an empowered thug. Gul'dan is crafty, cunning, ambitious, and say what you will about how much of a monster he is, but he's also a very clever strategist.
For example, rather than rule the horde from the front, he preferred to rule from the shadows, establishing a puppet-leader he could control (Blackhand on the main timeline, Kil'rogg on this timeline) and faking obedience only to gain more power.
This is looking like the end of the Iron Horde, unless Grom somehow pulls it together.
I doubt it, simply because not all of the iron horde is willing to follow gul'dan. Some are either fleeing, others are actually putting up a fight. Its starting to smell like they put Gul'dan at the front just so we can eventually work together with the iron horde, applying the whole "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" theme, which I sincerely hope they don't. Again, I just can't shake this feeling of deja vu regarding both grom and the non-corrupted iron horde, the same feeling I get when they are trying to redeem a villain in a heavyhanded way.
Why heavyhanded? forget about character development, forget about them facing any sort of consequence for their actions, forget any actual change, nah, just introduce someone worse than them so they can look good by comparison, and voila, you're done. Look at how they made Varian likable, they introduced his less pleasing personality traits into other people so he could look good next to them. Look how they made the grimtotem partially rejoin the horde, have half of them do something horrible so the other half looks good.
I don't believe that this will be the last tier.
I hope not, this would make it a rather short expansion. The fact that neither grom nor gul'dan are in the raid is a heavy hint that this may not actually be the last tier. Which then begs the question of where and when that's gonna take place. I mean, sure, Farhalon is still not implemented, but what kind of fortress could we expect there to serve as a final raid?
(And where are all those Iron Horde refugees going?)
Maybe to the wild lands on the uncharted continents? its been said several times that the Gorian Empire isn't native to the Draenor continent, that there's yet another continent on the same planet.
Post by
Stabhorn
I also think it's interesting that Gul'dan might outlive Archimonde, despite the huge power differences. Guess he's just good at hiding.
Its not about who's more powerful, but who's more cunning. Archimonde is a brute. He's neither a strategist, nor a clever planner, hell, any of his minions that fail him are killed instantly, and he's not very patient. He's way below Kil'jaeden who is a master strategist, manipulator, and who never kills a useful tool as long as its still useful. This is why Archimonde will likely die before Gul'dan does, powerful as he may be, he's still just an empowered thug. Gul'dan is crafty, cunning, ambitious, and say what you will about how much of a monster he is, but he's also a very clever strategist.
For example, rather than rule the horde from the front, he preferred to rule from the shadows, establishing a puppet-leader he could control (Blackhand on the main timeline, Kil'rogg on this timeline) and faking obedience only to gain more power.
I think I worded that wrong, because I'm agreeing with what you're saying. Gul'dan is certainly smarter than Archimonde, but definitely not more so than either Kil'jaedan or Sargeras. (Hence his death in our timeline.)
This is looking like the end of the Iron Horde, unless Grom somehow pulls it together.
I doubt it, simply because not all of the iron horde is willing to follow gul'dan. Some are either fleeing, others are actually putting up a fight. Its starting to smell like they put Gul'dan at the front just so we can eventually work together with the iron horde, applying the whole "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" theme, which I sincerely hope they don't. Again, I just can't shake this feeling of deja vu regarding both grom and the non-corrupted iron horde, the same feeling I get when they are trying to redeem a villain in a heavyhanded way.
Why heavyhanded? forget about character development, forget about them facing any sort of consequence for their actions, forget any actual change, nah, just introduce someone worse than them so they can look good by comparison, and voila, you're done. Look at how they made Varian likable, they introduced his less pleasing personality traits into other people so he could look good next to them. Look how they made the grimtotem partially rejoin the horde, have half of them do something horrible so the other half looks good.
Well perhaps the Iron Horde will sustain such heavy losses this Patch, that there won't be enough left of them to survive after this. (Think about it, the Thunderlords were slaughtered, Blackrocks are done, Shattered Hand and Burning Blade have sustained serious losses, as have the Warsongs. Only the Bleeding Hollow have survived almost unscathed, and I'm assuming they're losing a lot this patch.)
I'm sure that after this Grom is going to rally the last of the Iron Horde for some purpose or other, but it's going to be a small force...
I don't believe that this will be the last tier.
I hope not, this would make it a rather short expansion. The fact that neither grom nor gul'dan are in the raid is a heavy hint that this may not actually be the last tier. Which then begs the question of where and when that's gonna take place. I mean, sure, Farhalon is still not implemented, but what kind of fortress could we expect there to serve as a final raid?
I think the focus is going to switch from orcs to demons under Gul'dan/Kil'jaeden's rule after this. But then again, we've also got the Draenic Old Gods and the Pale. (Even though Cho'Gall is dead already.) As for a fortress, I honestly don't know. Maybe the Underpale?
(And where are all those Iron Horde refugees going?)
Maybe to the wild lands on the uncharted continents? its been said several times that the Gorian Empire isn't native to the Draenor continent, that there's yet another continent on the same planet.
Yeah, that makes sense.
And what by the Light did they do to Wrathguards? Fel Hounds now have skull faces and no suckers :/
And Sorcrethar survived Shattrath. That is very pleasing.
Post by
Rankkor
Actually Socrethar is still dead, we fight his spirit that is trying to possess a new vessel.
Post by
oneforthemoney
Actually Socrethar is still dead, we fight his spirit that is trying to possess a new vessel.
Really? Another boss that died already in the WoD timeline?
Sigh...
Post by
Adamsm
Socrethar was only a group quest in BC, and yes he dies during the Garrison campaign quest lines. But you can never keep a good demon down.
Post by
cephadex
Vol'mar... Thrallmar...
But is it just me or is it too early for there to be the final raid tier now? The expansion only came out half a year ago, and even a short expansion would last more than a year...
Then again, if the rings upgrade to legendary with this tier, then that does sound like it would be the last raid. Did I miss something or did the datamined info not include any visual effect for the rings? I could've sworn I'd heard they'd have one, but maybe they changed that.
I'm reluctant to suggest they'd make grom repent in the end or something, but that recent cinematic did make it look like his focus would be more on the conflict with Gul'dan; I wouldn't be surprised though if in the end he winds up repenting on his deathbed in some way, like in the original storyline.
Post by
Rankkor
Actually Socrethar is still dead, we fight his spirit that is trying to possess a new vessel.
Don't look so smug, I know what you're thinking, but Shattrath was merely a setback!!!!!
Vol'mar... Thrallmar...
Glad I'm not the only one who caught that =P
I wish the alliance base was also named in reference of Honor Hold. Like Lion's Hold instead of Lion's Guard.
But is it just me or is it too early for there to be the final raid tier now? The expansion only came out half a year ago, and even a short expansion would last more than a year...
Bear in mind that the initial tier of the expansion lasted pretty much 8 months. Yep, from november, till the date this patch is released, which I'm betting is gonna be either late june or early july. If this second tier lasts another 8 (Which is highly possible) then we have officially 16 months, also known as a year and a half. Wouldn't be so bad for another wow expac.
Then again, if the rings upgrade to legendary with this tier, then that does sound like it would be the last raid.
Not necessarily, do remember that in MoP, we got a legendary gem, and then a legendary metagem before we got the cloaks. On this expansion we got a legendary follower, and soon a legendary ring. If they wanted to continue it, we'd just stop upgrading the ring and instead focus on another legendary thing.
Did I miss something or did the datamined info not include any visual effect for the rings? I could've sworn I'd heard they'd have one, but maybe they changed that.
Not for the time being, they said they'll have a visual effect, but for now, it hasn't been implemented. Not surprising since even the procs of the rings themselves are not final, those are from a previous build that was scrapped. I'm curious now as to what the actual procs are gonna be like.
I'm reluctant to suggest they'd make grom repent in the end or something, but that recent cinematic did make it look like his focus would be more on the conflict with Gul'dan; I wouldn't be surprised though if in the end he winds up repenting on his deathbed in some way, like in the original storyline.
I could live with that.
Post by
Rankkor
And
here's
the map of Tanaan Jungle.
Post by
oneforthemoney
And
here's
the map of Tanaan Jungle.
Wow. We walk far to make our base camps.
Post by
Rankkor
WHAT!?!?!?! What the........ WHAT'!?!!?!?!?!
But....... how........ WHAT?!?!?!?!
O_O
Okay, I'm gonna take several steps backwards and rather than jump to conclusions, I'm gonna wait to see where the hell did that came from.
And HOLY MOTHER OF GOD!!!!!!!!!
Now
that
is what I call a badass Eredar model. DAYUM!!!!!!!(##RESPBREAK##)520##DELIM##Rankkor##DELIM##
Post by
oneforthemoney
WHAT! What the........ WHAT'!
But....... how........ WHAT?
O_O
Okay, I'm gonna take several steps backwards and rather than jump to conclusions, I'm gonna wait to see where the hell did that came from.
A wise precaution. It may be nothing.
But this being Blizzard and time travel...
Post by
Adamsm
Could be since Varian is in Draenor, Anduin is the throne holder just in case.
Post by
cephadex
Anduin sure grew up quickly; from 16 to 45 in no time at all... I'll bet it's some vision or whatnot.
Post by
Rankkor
It sure is nice to see the Rangari and the Laughing Skull clan working side-by-side on Tanaan, something good may actually come out of this after all.
It further serves to reinforce just how blatantly non-canon Ashran is, because nowhere else do the horde and alliance show any signs of belligerence, or hostility to each other. Other than Jaina being a jerk as usual and that one rangari dude acting like a hypocrite. The two factions arrived on draenor as a team, and even on the final patch, they still look very much like a team.
Post by
cephadex
Why do you keep wanting there to be peace between the two factions?
Anyway you're right about one thing, all the lamers from both factions had worked together from the start of the expansion,
and that's just so like Thrall
; whatever he represents now doesn't feel like the horde to me anyway, I don't really feel for him or for the assorted draenei, ah, well it's hard to finish this sentence without using profanities.
And it's about time Jaina grew a backbone after being unrealistically nice and sweet since the story's inception,
she's only human after all
.
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