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Post by
Adamsm
The reason I go back to Tides is because of how idiotic it is: Thousands upon thousands of elementals in pain....and only Thrall notices? And then Thrall pulls out a previously unknown and as of yet again unseen ability to summon a ghost wolf to ride across the waves to run to the rescue? Delivers a dress down to the insane mage and 'prepares to killer her if needed'....all the while holding back a wave of elementals that are being enhanced by one of the most powerful magical artefacts on Azeroth. And then when Kalec appears, he turns and rides off into the sunset.
It wasn't needed; it would have made a hell of a lot more sense for the actual shamans in Durotar to respond to this and hold Jaina off until Kalec arrived...but no, can't have that.
As for War Crimes; I wish to goddess that it was true. Garrosh was the only entertaining thing in the book and if there had been more of him, it may not have sucked as horribly as it did. But sadly, other then a few good lines, he was silent for the rest of the book while we sat through a sham trial and had over the top reaction shots and multiple sub plots that went no where.
Post by
morginar
Reghar and Jaina have meet and Reghar lives in Durotar(?) so he could have stormed from the beach. and Reghar is the storm! He would aim for a windfury critical on jaina, and it would have been good to knock logic into her.
Post by
Rankkor
The reason I go back to Tides is because of how idiotic it is, It wasn't needed;
Maybe it wasn't needed. Maybe it was stupid, trite, and made no sense.
But did it made Thrall the star, center, protagonist, focus, and star of the book?
if the answer is no, then he didn't stole the spotlight. He just made a cameo, a poor cameo, but a cameo nonetheless.
See what I mean? the book was still about Jaina, about her descent to madness, about her loss of the city. She was the whole center of the plot, it hinged on her, it was about her, the narrative was from her point of view. Not Thrall's. This is what I mean when I say you misuse the phrase "Stealing the spotlight".
A character has a poor, or unneeded appearance in a single scene of a book, and suddenly the book is about them? nonsense.
I could argue that the bits with Vereesa on the Day of the Dragon book were horrible. She contributed
nothing
to the plot other than get captured and knocked around. She was there just to be annoying, and be a damsel in distress to be rescued. Her role in it so small, she could had been removed, and the plot would have proceeded identical to how it was before.
But if I say that Vereesa was stealing the spotlight on Day of the Dragon, I'd be very wrong, because the book was still about
Knaak
Rhonin.
See what I mean? there's a world of difference between a character having a poor, or unneeded appereance, and a character stealing the spotlight.
A more accurate example of Stealing the Spotlight would be if blizzard announces a new book about Velen. A book that is meant to develop
his
story, develop
his
character, develop
his
people......... but instead, on practically every scene, Varian (or anyone else for that matter) is the one doing everything, and Velen ends up being little more than a spectator in his own story. The plot is moved by Varian, the one getting development is Varian while Velen remains the same as he's always been, and we end up seeing how the people of stormwind are saved from some catastrophe, instead of the people of the Exodar.
That
is spotlight stealing.
If instead, blizzard announces a book about Velen, that develops
his
story,
his
character, and
his
people, but at the end it just happens that Varian saves his life from an assassin, that wouldn't have made Varian a spotlight stealer. He'd have a key role in a pivotal scene, a role that could had easily been given to other draenei that needed it, but still, he would've shown up for only a few pages/chapters, and the story would still not be
about him
.
See what I mean now?.
And then Thrall pulls out a previously unknown and as of yet again unseen ability to summon a ghost wolf to ride across the waves to run to the rescue?
its no different than Rhonin summoning those liquid-silver swords in War of the Ancients.
Or Malfurion using a metric crap-a-ton of spells that absolutely no druid ever in the game has shown.
If lore characters didn't have abilities that we players can't have, what would make them special at all? This is why Saurfang can cleave up to 10 targets at the same time, while regular warriors can't even cleave at all anymore.(##RESPBREAK##)520##DELIM##Rankkor##DELIM##
Post by
morginar
A more accurate example of Stealing the Spotlight would be if blizzard announces a new book about Velen. A book that is meant to develop his story, develop his character, develop his people......... but instead, on practically every scene, Varian (or anyone else for that matter) is the one doing everything, and Velen ends up being little more than a spectator in his own story. The plot is moved by Varian, the one getting development is Varian while Velen remains the same as he's always been, and we end up seeing how the people of stormwind are saved from some catastrophe, instead of the people of the Exodar.
Just replace Velen with Tyrande and we have "a little patience".
And then Thrall pulls out a previously unknown and as of yet again unseen ability to summon a ghost wolf to ride across the waves to run to the rescue?He summons ghost wolves in WC3, and I hear in his encounter in vanilla-wrath he summons a pack of them?
And water walk, far from a new shaman ability.
I could argue that the bits with Vereesa on the Day of the Dragon book were horrible. She contributed nothing to the plot other than get captured and knocked around. She was there just to be annoying, and be a damsel in distress to be rescued. Her role in it so small, she could had been removed, and the plot would have proceeded identical to how it was before.
It's called tsundere love-interest / to be trophy wife. Dear lord I wish to stab that girl. And her kids. Preferably the later in front of the mothers eyes.
Post by
Adamsm
And then Thrall pulls out a previously unknown and as of yet again unseen ability to summon a ghost wolf to ride across the waves to run to the rescue?
its no different than Rhonin summoning those liquid-silver swords in War of the Ancients.
Or Malfurion using a metric crap-a-ton of spells that absolutely no druid ever in the game has shown.
If lore characters didn't have abilities that we players can't have, what would make them special at all? This is why Saurfang can cleave up to 10 targets at the same time, while regular warriors can't even cleave at all anymore.
We've seen other mages summon mage weapons beyond Rhonin; Kalec and the Blue Flight members in human form for one. We've seen other Archdruids pull off the same spells as Malfurion, but we've yet to see any other shaman summon a ghost wolf to use as a mount.
Thrall was still the deus ex machina of Tides of War though, which was dumb to be honest; it should have been other shaman reacting to it or the ones in Durotar trying to hold it back...but no, can't have that, needs to be Metzan's special orc.
Post by
morginar
Thrall was still the deus ex machina of Tides of War thoughThat he was, not spotlight stealer, just a plot device.
but we've yet to see any other shaman summon a ghost wolf to use as a mount.
Is it that stretch of mind to ride what you summon? It's like keal'thas never rides his phoenix.
Post by
Rankkor
And then Thrall pulls out a previously unknown and as of yet again unseen ability to summon a ghost wolf to ride across the waves to run to the rescue?
its no different than Rhonin summoning those liquid-silver swords in War of the Ancients.
Or Malfurion using a metric crap-a-ton of spells that absolutely no druid ever in the game has shown.
If lore characters didn't have abilities that we players can't have, what would make them special at all? This is why Saurfang can cleave up to 10 targets at the same time, while regular warriors can't even cleave at all anymore.
We've seen other mages summon mage weapons beyond Rhonin; Kalec and the Blue Flight members in human form for one. We've seen other Archdruids pull off the same spells as Malfurion, but we've yet to see any other shaman summon a ghost wolf to use as a mount.
That was just one example among many. The list goes on and on. Like I said, if important lore figures don't have abilities we players don't have, then what makes them special at all? And I could name you several spells that Rhonin used throughout War of the Ancients, and Day of the Dragon that no mage in the game has.
Thrall was still the deus ex machina of Tides of War though, which was dumb to be honest;
Maybe that's true. Maybe. But that doesn't make Thrall a spotlight stealer.
Aang was a Deus Ex Machina of HUGE proportions in the first season of Legend of Korra. The Giant Lion-Turtle was an even bigger Deus Ex Machina at the show finale of Avatar: The Last Airbender.
Neither of them stole the show from their respective protagonists.
it should have been other shaman reacting to it
Like who? you have to admit there aren't that many named shaman in the lore that serve as major characters and also personally know Jaina. I mentioned earlier that its not like Jaina ever developed a strong friendship with Magatha, or Nobundo, or Muln, or Reghar, or any other shaman. For all we know, all shaman felt the turmoil of the elements, but they let Thrall take care of that one because it was a close acquaintance of him that was causing it.
I wont deny that I would had savored the irony of Nobundo being the one trying to stop Jaina from flooding a city full of orcs, but that would had been weird, because Jaina's first reaction would had been along the lines of "
Who the frick are you?
" and "
Why should I care about anything you have to say?
"
Post by
Adamsm
....Except that was her reaction to Thrall anyway; any logic he brought up she denied instantly and she wasn't listening. And if all of the Shaman felt the turmoil of the elements shouldn't they sent more then just one person? After all, they just heard the elements go nuts and Deathwing broke free; you'd think they would be more on the ball but I guess not.
We'll have to agree to disagree Rank; with all of the Thrall stuff recently, I'm just sick and tired of him and I want them to start focusing on other characters. Maybe it's just Golden's writing I don't know, but whenever Thrall is around, she seems to focus more on him to the detriment of everything else.
Post by
Rankkor
After all, they just heard the elements go nuts and Deathwing broke free; you'd think they would be more on the ball but I guess not.
What? you do realize that Tides of War takes place
after
cataclysm, where Deathwing is very much deader than dead. Correct?
And if all of the Shaman felt the turmoil of the elements shouldn't they sent more then just one person?
Considering how much power she was wielding, its clear she wasn't gonna be stopped by brute force (Thrall tried, and got his ass kicked. Yet another reason why he's NOT a mary sue, he can be defeated. Unlike Varian who has yet to lose a single fight) she had to be talked down.
And who is she more likely to listen to? a perfect and complete stranger? or someone she's familiar with?
I must repeat my question, who else should had been sent there? she doesn't really know
any
shaman at all except for Thrall.
She ended up being unreasonable and not listening to him anyways, but it still had a bigger chance of working than actually hoping she'd listen to a perfect stranger telling her to chill the hell down.
We'll have to agree to disagree Rank; with all of the Thrall stuff recently, I'm just sick and tired of him and I want them to start focusing on other characters.
/shrug
I'm sick and tired of the Human Triumvirate (Varian+Jaina+Anduin) showing up for EVERY.SINGLE.PLOT related to the alliance, and wish the other races and other leaders get their chance to shine (and I mean
independent
chance to shine. Moira's moment was pretty much eclipsed by King Chin being hailed as the great uniter of the dwarven clans). That doesn't mean I'm gonna accuse Varian of stealing the spotlight of an entire book just because he shows up in it.
I can say that I felt his appearance was not needed, that the character development could had been used on someone else, but if his appearance in a book consist of nothing more than a few chapters, he's not really hogging all the attention.(##RESPBREAK##)520##DELIM##Rankkor##DELIM##
Post by
Adamsm
After all, they just heard the elements go nuts and Deathwing broke free; you'd think they would be more on the ball but I guess not.
What? you do realize that Tides of War takes place
after
cataclysm, where Deathwing is very much deader than dead. Correct?
Deathwing is gone yes...but for all they knew it could have been something on his level; Naga threat, Elemental Lord, Twilight Hammer remnants. Also, they are 'cleaning' up the Maelstorm when it happens; they could have sent more then Thrall since what would have happened in a realistic situation where someone found himself with more then he can handle(I know realistic never comes into play when Thrall is around but that's the example). Kinda wish Jaina could have swatted Thrall before Kalec showed up, just to put some humility into the Green Messiah.
Post by
Rankkor
In other news,
Grom may not actually be the last boss of this expansion o_O
Which is odd because they've
said
that Grom would be the last boss of the expansion in the Iron Citadel.
Several
several
times
.
Repeatedly
.
I wish they'd make up their minds rather than try to do things "on the go" like this. Its like NOTHING of what was announced on blizzcon came to pass. Ok, ok, ok, that's an exaggeration, but still, quite a lot of what they talked about in blizzcon never ended up happening, like bladespire and karabor, both announced as capitals, but ended up, the former as a really small quest-hub we only visit once and never again, and the later as just scenery prop as we never go in it, or near it except for the last quest in the zone.
Post by
Nulgar
I file this under "planned misinformation".
Post by
Adamsm
I file it under 'We done goofed for the Mists expansion so let's mess with the players this time around'.
Post by
Nulgar
I think the Mists "boss announcement" was rather an unnecessary reaction to player whining "wha wha, we need to know the Big Bad!"
Post by
morginar
Did blizzard say that they announced garrosh as boss due to gamers being "wha wha panda child expansion" ?
Though Grom being announced is probably "wha wha we need to know!" And blizz was like "It's Grom trololo"
Post by
Skreeran
I have yet to play WoD, but honestly it's looking kinda boring to me now. I mean, I was looking forward to seeing Orgrim and Saurfang, watching Horde development under Vol'jin, hoping for Saurfang as an orc racial leader, and rallying the Draenor clans for possible recruitment into the Horde.
Instead, we seem to have just killed all of the "Warlords" except Durotan, Gul'dan, Grom, and Kilrogg. I mean, even Azuka's dead. Then big boss man Kilrogg, Gurka's (my Bleeding Hollow shaman) former chieftain, guzzles the demon blood. Wtf.
Anyway, Saurfang has one little tiny quest, Orgrim frickin' dies somehow, and Drek'thar, Nazgrel, Rehgar, Jorin, Thura, and, I dunno, Galvangar, are all MIA. Wtf is with the orcs and losing all their heroes? I guess a society with only a couple heroes per generation and a really strong military current is just cursed to lose everyone important. Who the frick else is there? Dranosh is dead, Ariok is probably dead, Garrosh is dead, AU Orgrim is dead, Drek'thar's too old to fight, Saurfang and Eitrigg are old too, Nazgrim's dead, Zaela's dead...
Like, Thrall and his dad are all we got. What the heck. I mean, I guess we got AU Drek'thar, too, since ours is too old to fight, but that's still not a new character, and he's not from the Azeroth Horde. Even assuming he moves to Azeroth, or the Horde stays on Draenor, I'd still much rather bring in young Saurfang or Azuka (Blizzard is STILL terrible with female characters) or something. Hell, I'd take undead Dranosh over anyone in AU Draenor.
But seriously. Thrall and his AU dad and mentor are a pisspoor representation of orcs in the "orc expansion," especially considering we still don't even have a fluffing racial leader.
Edit: Ohey, my post made it on here anyway. I guess I'll just attach my replacement at the bottom:
Okay, I had previously typed up a large post , but my brother, who shall not be named, unplugged our Wi-Fi router while I was typing it, and I lost the whole thing. So I'm going to cut a long story short:
I had big hopes for WoD: Meeting AU Saurfang and Orgrim, I was hoping for Saurfang as Orc Racial Leader, I was looking forward to seeing the Horde develop under Vol'jin, and I was hoping to see clans of the Iron Horde recruited into the Azeroth Horde to replace numbers lost under Garrosh.
What's the hell is going on with orcs in the "orc expansion." Zaela, Garrosh, Blackhand, Orgrim, Kargath, Azuka, Ner'zhul, Fenris and probably Ariok die. Dranosh, Nazgrim, and Brox are still dead. Drek'thar, Thura, Nazgrel, Rehgar, Gorgonna, Rexxar, and Jorin remain MIA. Saurfang makes a small cameo... Basically all we got left on our side in the way of orcs is Thrall, Aggra, his sh*tty kids, and his AU dad and mentor. That's a pisspoor representation for the "orc expansion," especially considering we still have no racial leader.
Everything is bad.
What the hell is up with orc heroes? I mean really, of the orcs listed under "characters"
here
. Who are still alive and active? Thrall. Of course. Eitrigg appeared in War Crimes, but to my knowledge hasn't shown up in WoD yet. Also, he and Saurfang and Drek'thar are older than dirt. The others? Who knows? Seems like Thrall and his AU fan-fiction relatives are the only orcs that matter. And this is coming from someone whose favorite character used to be Thrall.
Why is Blizzard so disappointing?
Why is Blizzard so intent on murdering every possible candidate for a cool new orc hero? Azuka and Zaela were cool new strong women characters. Orgrim was a beast in Azeroth lore, but he doesn't even get a cutscene or new armor in WoD. Dranosh died before his time, of course. So did Nazgrim.
Kilrogg Deadeye was like my favorite warlord, on account of him being Gurka Witchkiller's (my Bleeding Hollow shaman) chieftain. And now that's is just Grom, Gul'dan, and Kilrogg in the Iron Horde (that's not exactly a Horde though... how are they even a threat still? And this is patch 6.1, we're not even halfway through the xpac), of course Kilrogg has to drink the demon blood. Probably gonna be a boss, and we're probably gonna kill him. Wtf.
But hey, at least we're in the pro-orc expac where no one but orcs gets any spotlight.
/rant
Post by
Rankkor
I have yet to play WoD, but honestly it's looking kinda boring to me now.
Sadly, I must agree.
Here is my long
and boring
analysis of the zones
I
loved
frostfire ridge if anything because of how the story was between the frostwolves and the thunderlords, and I was initially awed by Gorgrond because the Laughing Skull get one hell of an introduction. But then it just fell apart. The other zones were just okay. Gorgrond was just shy of okay-ish but only if you take the sparring arena as the outpost building as that lets you team up with Rexxar. Otherwise, its a very bland and boring story with Draka in which she doesn't really
do
anything other than boss you around.
Talador was divided into four parts (Iron horde stuff near Shattrath, Burning Legion stuff near Auchindoun, Garrison stuff on the western side, and Arakkoa stuff on the south).
The Arakkoa part was just okay. I have no complaints, it was short, it was neat, and it set the stage for what would follow on the next zone.
The Iron Horde stuff didn't made one lick of sense for several reasons. Orgrim's characterization is extremely bipolar, and then he gets unceremoniously killed off in a single hit.
BY THE VERY ORC HE BESTED IN SINGLE COMBAT ON THE MAIN TIMELINE!!!!
. But it gets worse, his friendship with Durotan is played
waaaay
down, when their bromance is probably the biggest and most awesome bromance this franchise has ever known. Yes, eat your shorts Varian+Bolvar. Suddenly he's onboard with Blackhand and gives a rallying speech to his troops, calls his best friend a traitor to Draenor for allying with foreign invaders, and then quite literally 5 minutes later,
out of friggign nowhere
, he turns against blackhand and tries to kill him, only to die in the process.
Not only that, but it left a lot of illogical questions unanswered. Why didn't we moved into the city after the "liberation of shattrath"? We crushed their army with a (single) iron star, we sank their armada (of two ships) to the bottom of the ocean, we sent their second most influential warlord running with tail between his legs......... and then we left. We didn't proceed
inside
the actual city, we didn't
secure its borders
, we didn't establish a perimeter,
we didn't do jack squat.
We just go in, sink two boats, and suddenly we just pull out for no darned reason. Then the Sargerei take over. Hurray? The cinematic of Yrel and Durotan teaming up against Blackhand was the only good thing I could take out of this quarter of the zone.
The Garrison part was also very underwhelming. Just boring stuff involving ogres, and I've ranted enough about how unfair and tasteless it was to force horde players choosing the Arcane Sanctum to ask for help of the #$%&ing Kirin Tor.
Particularly when a regiment of Magisters, who taught humanity magic in the first place, was just a few paces away.
Imagine if alliance worgen players were forced to ask the forsaken for help. Just a little after completing their zone.
NOT.COOL.
The Burning Legion stuff started off okay, and it had a really cool shining moment for Liandrin (or Nobundo if you are alliance, as I believe he's the one giving all her quests on their side) when fighting that Pit Lord, but it felt like an empty victory because the shadow council still razes telmor to the ground, still manages to infiltrate auchindoun, and still manages to secret away some of its hidden power.
Spires of Arak was the big surprise for me in this expansion. Based on previews alone I was expecting this zone to be the most boring for me, I never was a big fan of the Arakkoa on TBC, and visually this was the blandest zone in the game. Boy was I surprised. I sincerely wish the Cult of Rukhmar was the main villains of this expansion. For me, they blow the iron horde out of the water. The bits in this zone about our garrison, and Taylor's garrison felt underwhelming, as was that incredibly boring goblin subplot on the southern tip of the zone, but the rest was just amazing and I loved it.
Reshad in particular is shaping up to be my favorite character in the expansion (Or close to it, he has some heavy competition from Gan'ar) because not only is he charming, sarcastic, sassy, and witty, he also manages to be the Brann/Lorewalker Cho equivalent of this expansion, and that's just something I totally did NOT see coming from an Arakkoa.
Nagrand was another mixed bag for me, the pursuit of garrosh was awesome, as was the bits inside Oshu'gun, but the rest of this zone, while gorgeous, just bored me to tears. Even the Ring of Blood was a huge letdown, =( and there were no Nesingwary hunts which is just plain wrong.
All in all, for me, it was 1 cool zone, one half-good/half-bad zone depending on what building was chosen, 1 zone that was equal parts okay equal parts "what the hell just happened", 1 zone that was fantastic, and 1 zone that was boring.
=(
I mean, I was looking forward to seeing Orgrim and Saurfang
I know!!!! T_T it was such a let down to see Saurfang (Senior and Junior) make absolutely zero appereances in Draenor. And even worse was how they flat out punted Orgrim out of the story. I mean, he's only the second most influential orc in the history of the orcish clans. Pffft, OPTIONAL, kick him out!!!!!!
>=(
Saurfang Senior from Main!Azeroth shows up at last on our garrison in 6.1 but its only for handling out simple bounty quests were we kill a generic mob. Honestly, it could had been anyone handling out that quest and it would've made zero difference.
watching Horde development under Vol'jin
This one is harder to get, I mean, we knew from the start that the whole of this expansion would take place entirely on Draenor. Kinda hard to see the Vol'jin administration from there. Pandaria, we knew at least part of the expansion would take place back on kalimdor, simply because they said that the final raid would be on orgrimmar, but as far as WoD goes, they've said many times that we wont be coming home until this entire thing is wrapped up. So..... yeah.
This is the kind of stuff that we'd only really be able to see in a book.
hoping for Saurfang as an orc racial leader
Well...... we do. He
is
the new orc chieftain. For some reason he's also on draenor even though no other racial leader for any other race is there. Also for some reason he's not represented on the loading screen of Kalimdor. And for some reason he accepted the position now that he's incredibly old, even though in the past he's said several times that he didn't wanted the job in the first place.
In fact, nowhere in the game has it ever been said that Saurfang is the orc Chieftain, we only got a tweet from a blue poster confirming it.
So yeah...... that was kinda underwhelming.
and rallying the Draenor clans for possible recruitment into the Horde.
Well, I can certainly see the frostwolves and laughing skull following us back to azeroth after all is said and done. Its a shame the rest of the clans were smacked heavily with the chaotic evil stick down to the bitter end. Particularly the Burning Blade clan. I had so many high hopes for Azuka and her people (more on her later). But they went down the same boat as the Dragonmaw did when we recruited them into the horde in cata.
and
Drek'thar
, Nazgrel, Rehgar, Jorin, Thura, and, I dunno, Galvangar, are all MIA.
Whoa, hold up there. Drek'thar is one MAJOR protagonist of the horde story on this game. He shows up heavily on the tanaan intro, frostfire, nagrand, and endgame content. He's right up there next to Durotan as the most prominent native orc of draenor we get to interact with. If you meant Main!Azeroth's Drek'thar, well........ he's old bro', and senile, and wheelchair-bound. Its a miracle he's still alive.
Nazgrel also shows up, but he's a child in this expansion so you can't really expect him to do much. You rescue him in Gorgrond and then we don't see him again. But once more, he's a little kid.
Good point on the others though. Specially Jorin. Since his father now became the first orc to drink the demon blood, does that mean Jorin is now the new Garrosh equivalent of Alternate!Draenor? GOD I HOPE NOT!!!! :S
Wtf is with the orcs and losing all their heroes? I guess a society with only a couple heroes per generation and a really strong military current is just cursed to lose everyone important.
its happened to all the races man. Its like blizzard decided to do a hero pruning and decided to trim down the number of active characters per race to just 1 or 2. Humans are all exclusively about Varian+Anduin+Jaina (Usually in that order). Dwarves are almost entirely about Moira. Night Elves almost entirely about Malfurion. Gnomes don't even exist anymore. Neither do gilneans. Draenei have always been just about Velen and they just took Maraad, the only other prominent draenei out of the picture. Time will tell if Yrel is gonna suffer the same fate, though being a woman, she's almost fated to go into obscurity, villainy, or insanity. That's apparently all girls can do in this game.
As for the horde, orcs are all about Thrall (as much as I love this character..... or what he WAS prior to Cataclysm, I really wish other orcs had their chance to shine too) Tauren are all exclusively about Baine (Hamuul sometimes gets to say hi) Trolls are all about Vol'jin, Blood Elves are all about Lor'themar (even aethas was surprisingly passive on the whole purge thing) Forsaken are all about Sylvanas, and Goblins are all about...... I don't even know anymore :S I can't pretend that Gallywix has had ANY form of exposure other than 2 short stories and a small cameo on SoO and Tides of War.
The days of each race having a long string of heroes to draw from is long gone. We must focus on one character per race now apparently. Two if you're lucky (as is the case with the taurens). Three if you're human, because they're special.
Azuka (Blizzard is STILL terrible with female characters)
No kidding. Women are at best arm-candy (Tyrande, Jaina), relegated to obscurity (Magatha says hello?) doomed to be beaten with the villain stick (Sylvanas, Jaina, Maiev, Zaela, Azuka, and several others) or made intentionally to look incompetent or unsympathetic so that a male character can look awesome (Tyrande, Jaina and Rogers getting all the negative traits of King Chin so he can finally be likable).
I'm not kidding, I fear for Yrel's future. That girl has her days numbered. She's had her fair chance at being a true protagonist in this expansion, she's practically the poster child for the alliance in almost all the zones of draenor except one, (Arak) and so far has taken a pro-active leadership role among her people. And I just can't shake the feeling that she's just got the words MARTYR written all over her forehead. That they compared her to Joan of Arc (A real life Martyr)
doesn't
help.
What's the hell is going on with orcs in the "orc expansion."
The funny part is that "some" people are pretending that this is an actual gift for horde players when its anything but.
"Hey there, I hear you like orcs, well, here we present you the orc homeworld in all its primal glory, with orc civilization at its apex back when they were strong and proud........ just so you can murder every single one of them, but not before we strip them of every ounce of honor, and likability from them so you don't feel too bad about having to butcher your beloved heroes. Enjoy".
Hurray?
Why is Blizzard so intent on murdering every possible candidate for a cool new orc hero? Azuka and Zaela were cool new strong women characters.
I have no idea. This is why I'm not holding my breath for Yrel, and why if they ever introduce another orc woman to the story, I'm just gonna write her off as a corpse from the start and save myself some more disappointment later.(##RESPBREAK##)520##DELIM##Rankkor##DELIM##
Post by
Skreeran
Well...... we do. He is the new orc chieftain. For some reason he's also on draenor even though no other racial leader for any other race is there. Also for some reason he's not represented on the loading screen of Kalimdor. And for some reason he accepted the position now that he's incredibly old, even though in the past he's said several times that he didn't wanted the job in the first place.
In fact, nowhere in the game has it ever been said that Saurfang is the orc Chieftain, we only got a tweet from a blue poster confirming it.
Huh. Well Wowpedia still lists the Orc racial leader as "None," so I figured that since Saurfang doesn't represent the orcs in Orgrimmar, doesn't show up on the loading screen, and has no bio or anything on the Battle.net website, that he was just being ignored in WoD (save for his one pointless cameo).
Not really much of a racial leader then. There's no achievement for killing him or anything.
Whoa, hold up there. Drek'thar is one MAJOR protagonist of the horde story on this game. He shows up heavily on the tanaan intro, frostfire, nagrand, and endgame content. He's right up there next to Durotan as the most prominent native orc of draenor we get to interact with. If you meant Main!Azeroth's Drek'thar, well........ he's old bro', and senile, and wheelchair-bound. Its a miracle he's still alive.Well I was talking about the Drek'thar that is still apparently kicking Stormpike's out of his Hold despite being wheelchair bound. I mean, who is leading the Frostwolves? Shouldn't Thrall be THERE instead of adventuring on AU Draenor? At the very least, kill off Drek'thar and make Galvangar or Nazgrel or someone else leader of the Frostwolves in Alterac Valley. Don't just leave Drek'thar's last appearance at Cataclysm and forget about that plot.
Post by
oneforthemoney
Whoa, hold up there. Drek'thar is one MAJOR protagonist of the horde story on this game. He shows up heavily on the tanaan intro, frostfire, nagrand, and endgame content. He's right up there next to Durotan as the most prominent native orc of draenor we get to interact with. If you meant Main!Azeroth's Drek'thar, well........ he's old bro', and senile, and wheelchair-bound. Its a miracle he's still alive.Well I was talking about the Drek'thar that is still apparently kicking Stormpike's out of his Hold despite being wheelchair bound. I mean, who is leading the Frostwolves? Shouldn't Thrall be THERE instead of adventuring on AU Draenor?
Thrall should be doing a lot of things, before and after. I think those beads are restricting the blood flow to his brain.
Post by
Atik
To be completely honest, it's felt more like a Draenei expansion than an Orc one.
We've finally seen proper Draenei architecture, we've gotten a look into their titles, social castes, military, and viewpoints. We've seen more Draenei in this expansion than we have since they crashed into Azeroth.
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