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Post by
morginar
The reward
Sentinel's Companion
comes from "Little sister lost" and might refer to Sylvanas being lost (since little moon is a crazy female feline) and looks for her older sister. Sylvanas used disguise in WPL and have used one now probably. The quest dialog makes it seem to personal for a night elf to ever the the quest giver. (Night elves were not around when she was) Then there is also night elves are sentinels, high elves and descendants are rangers.
And as for how Aleria came to this Draenor is probably something to do with how the timelines went haywire in outland. We have the "ghost" gul'dan in shadowmoon and the bronze dragon in worlds end tavern commenting on it. This "time bomb" might have affected the portal Aleria used.
And it's a possibility that Alera used that portal alone (or with minions) and not with human male paladin #4. So some interesting development might have happened. Hopefully growing apart from Tyralion and later joining the blood elves as their ranger general.
Hopefully they develop this story-line, somewhere, Aleria is found and the ranger unmasks...
Post by
Adamsm
No thank you; we had that horrific heavy handed crap in War Crimes with Vereesa do not do that *!@# with Alleria.
Post by
Rankkor
Well... One of them is
still
alive...
Ya, still alive, but not for long. After those events, there's no way she's gonna be anything other than a straight up villain. I just don't see either faction accepting her or her clan. Which means she's pretty much a goner, just like the other warlords whom we know one way or another will just die.
No thank you; we had that horrific heavy handed crap in War Crimes with Vereesa do not do that *!@# with Alleria.
They will have to address this eventually. Regardless of her feelings towards the horde (or rather, towards the orcs, she never really encountered taurens, goblins, pandaren, or forsaken, and I still feel that she'd not be one to turn her back on silvermoon) blood is thicker on the Windrunner family.
If Vereesa and Sylvanas still care for each other (Despite how much the latter often denies it) there's no way Alleria would turn on either of her sisters. Regardless of what faction (if any) she joins.
Also, I sincerely doubt Alleria and Turalyon will be seen on this expansion.
We explored what was left of Outland upside and down, and there was no trace of them. The only reasonable explanation for it is that they took one of the many portals opened by Ner'zhul and are somewhere else.
Even if there was some time-travelling mumbo-jumbo going on that would cause people from Present!Outland to travel to Alternate!Draenor, they'd have to
be
in outland to travel to the past. And neither Turalyon nor Alleria are in outland at the moment.(##RESPBREAK##)520##DELIM##Rankkor##DELIM##
Post by
matheus314
Well... One of them is
still
alive...
Ya, still alive, but not for long. After those events, there's no way she's gonna be anything other than a straight up villain. I just don't see either faction accepting her or her clan. Which means she's pretty much a goner, just like the other warlords whom we know one way or another will just die.
I agree that she's neck-deep into the villain role. But that doesn't mean she'll be dealt anytime soon. I see no problem with her being a badass female villain that nobody can get even close to deal with (cough cough Sylvanas cough cough Azshara cough cough).
No thank you; we had that horrific heavy handed crap in War Crimes with Vereesa do not do that *!@# with Alleria.
They will have to address this eventually. Regardless of her feelings towards the horde (or rather, towards the orcs, she never really encountered taurens, goblins, pandaren, or forsaken, and I still feel that she'd not be one to turn her back on silvermoon) blood is thicker on the Windrunner family.
If Vereesa and Sylvanas still care for each other (Despite how much the latter often denies it) there's no way Alleria would turn on either of her sisters. Regardless of what faction (if any) she joins.
Also, I sincerely doubt Alleria and Turalyon will be seen on this expansion.
We explored what was left of Outland upside and down, and there was no trace of them. The only reasonable explanation for it is that they took one of the many portals opened by Ner'zhul and are somewhere else.
Even if there was some time-travelling mumbo-jumbo going on that would cause people from Present!Outland to travel to Alternate!Draenor, they'd have to
be
in outland to travel to the past. And neither Turalyon nor Alleria are in outland at the moment.
My POV is that the author wrote a redemption for Vereesa in War Crimes, because of the Purge of Dalaran. But that redemption was she joining the horde. My guess is that whoever at Blizzard decide which's on and which's off the book said that that ending just couldn't be done. And she had to change the ending of it. I mean, that Sylvanas-Veressa ending really looks totally out of place with the previous parts.
I'm still looking forward to see Fahralon in Draenor. Hopefully there was where Turalyon and Alleria got lost in our timeline (we have a destroyed Human settlement in south Netherstorm, remeber?), and therefore they could have been lost in there, coincidently going to the exact same alternate timeline that we ended up going (remember what Kairoz said about this timeline?).
Post by
H3Knuckles
They will have to address this eventually. Regardless of her feelings towards the horde (or rather, towards the orcs, she never really encountered taurens,
goblins
, pandaren, or forsaken, and I still feel that she'd not be one to turn her back on silvermoon) blood is thicker on the Windrunner family.
Um, Rank? There were goblins in the Dark Horde during the Second War. Lots of them. I... dunno how you forgot that.
Post by
Rankkor
They will have to address this eventually. Regardless of her feelings towards the horde (or rather, towards the orcs, she never really encountered taurens,
goblins
, pandaren, or forsaken, and I still feel that she'd not be one to turn her back on silvermoon) blood is thicker on the Windrunner family.
Um, Rank? There were goblins in the Dark Horde during the Second War. Lots of them. I... dunno how you forgot that.
Yes, but she never encountered them. They weren't part of the campaign in Quel'thalas, and she never displayed any antagonism towards them. All her hatred was exclusively focused on the orcs. And the Trolls but that one is a millennial feud.
The Old Horde was made of Orcs, Goblins, Ogres, and Jungle Trolls, but Alleria only displayed genocidal hatred exclusively towards the Orcs, and the Trolls. She was mostly indifferent to the Ogres, and I don't think she even encountered a goblin.
Post by
H3Knuckles
Wait, she wasn't involved with any of the fighting between the Horde being driven from Lordaeron and the battle at the portal? Huh. I haven't read the novelizations of the game and its expansion, but since she's helping hunt loose orcs during the outset of Beyond the Dark Portal I'd assumed she followed the main Alliance counter-offensive after driving the Horde from the north. Also, weren't there Goblins that accompanied the clans that went back through to Outland!Draenor? Or is that a case of gameplay and story segregation?
Post by
Rankkor
As far as I remember, no goblin accompanied the orcs back into Draenor.
And Alleria fought mostly on Quel'thalas. She briefly helped to repel the incursion on the hinterlands, then word got out that the horde had their sights on her homeland and from there on until the end of the war she stayed on her land to protect it.
Even assuming she
did
fought goblins at some point, none of the novelizations ever displayed her bearing ill will towards them. Just orcs, and Trolls.
Coming to think of it........ I think the novelizations skipped the goblins altogether, I can't recall too many instances of them at all.
Post by
H3Knuckles
As far as I remember, no goblin accompanied the orcs back into Draenor.
I seem to remember orcs being able to make Goblin Alchemist labs and deploy Sappers, Zeppelins, etc on Draenor during BTDP but as I said, gameplay and story segregation.
And Alleria fought mostly on Quel'thalas. She briefly helped to repel the incursion on the hinterlands, then word got out that the horde had their sights on her homeland and from there on until the end of the war she stayed on her land to protect it.
Even assuming she
did
fought goblins at some point, none of the novelizations ever displayed her bearing ill will towards them. Just orcs, and Trolls.
Huh, good to know, I guess.
Coming to think of it........ I think the novelizations skipped the goblins altogether, I can't recall too many instances of them at all.
Well that's just another example of the writers forgetting about the other species involved in a story. How often does the presence of tertiary or even secondary members of the Alliance and Horde seem to disappear entirely from the narrative anymore? How often does it revert to Warcraft 1's Humans vs Orcs?
It's a shame though; Goblin contributions to the Dark Horde where pretty cool; sappers, zeppelins, the torpedo-equipped air-tight cabins used by Goblin (shamans? mages? warlocks?) to control the giant sea turtles as a way to counter-act Gnomish submarines. Their alchemists super-charged the forest troll's regeneration. They also created Deathwing's armor plating too, didn't they?
Post by
Rankkor
I seem to remember orcs being able to make Goblin Alchemist labs and deploy Sappers, Zeppelins, etc on Draenor during BTDP but as I said, gameplay and story segregation.
Indeed. That happens a lot actually.
Coming to think of it........ I think the novelizations skipped the goblins altogether, I can't recall too many instances of them at all.
Well that's just another example of the writers forgetting about the other species involved in a story.
How often does the presence of tertiary or even secondary members of the Alliance and Horde seem to disappear entirely from the narrative anymore?
Way more often than it should. >_<
Just look at the worgens. They have what I still consider the second most awesome starting zone on the game (Sorry, but nothing will ever top the DK starting zone for me) and tons of potential for an interesting race that could actually bring DIVERSITY to the table of the alliance that is full to the brim of races that are waaaaay too "lawful good". Even the near-feral wild night elves have been domesticated into docile bunnies. Then here come the savage and ferocious worgen............. and then they disappear altogether after their starting zone.
Save for a few (And by few I do mean FEW, you can count them with one hand) token characters making a few cameos here and there, they have almost zero bearing on the story, their contributions to the alliance are almost entirely overlooked (notice how Greymane isn't even present at the ending of SoO) and they're relegated to background props at best. There's not even gilnean bases elsewhere in the world. Just 1 little town on blasted lands, and an even smaller outpost on Stonetalon, and that's it, never seen again.
LAME.
It's a shame though; Goblin contributions to the Dark Horde where pretty cool; sappers, zeppelins, the torpedo-equipped air-tight cabins used by Goblin (shamans? mages? warlocks?) to control the giant sea turtles as a way to counter-act Gnomish submarines. Their alchemists super-charged the forest troll's regeneration. They also created Deathwing's armor plating too, didn't they?
(puffing up chest) everyone knows Goblins are the OG real deal when it comes to gadgeteers in warcraft. Gnomes may love to ridicule and mock goblin technology over and over, but we all know that all their technological progress that is actually useful, comes from reverse-engineering goblin-designed stuff.
As seen
here
. Pfft.... "borrowed" yeah right :P Even Gelbin says at the end of SoO that the first thing they're gonna be doing (The gnomes that is) is getting their hands on as much goblin tech they can. You know.... so they can actually see how the pro's do it and then they can shoddily and clumsily replicate it.
bwhahahaha. Gnomes. =P
Post by
Adamsm
And Alleria fought mostly on Quel'thalas. She briefly helped to repel the incursion on the hinterlands, then word got out that the horde had their sights on her homeland and from there on until the end of the war she stayed on her land to protect it.No...that was Sylvanas who was guarding the home land; Alleria was part of the original token force sent to the Alliance. She remained with the Alliance forces during the war on Azeroth, went Orc hunting for a long while with her squad of killers, then rejoined the army to travel through the Portal.
Post by
H3Knuckles
Yeah, the disappearance of supporting factions is kind of a pet peeve of mine. I mean, whatever happened to Kul Tiras? Sure we can't go there until they have a good idea for the zone(s?), but they're just humans, why do they get no representation besides Tiragarde?
I totally agree about the DK starting area, but I liked the goblin's area a lot too. I still think the way it should have ended was with Gallywix's death/abandonment on the island, and your character thinking (she or) he will be picked to be the new leader. Then you'd get to the punchline, where you're upstaged by Sassy Hardwrench, since she was the one that actually organized and led all the castaways throughout the Lost Isles segment, and the player character is stuck standing there, having to put a fake smile on and feign approval. Done right it could've been a great 'shaggy dog story,' building up the players expectations the whole way for a last-minute twist leaving your character with nothing but a reputation as an adventurer. And seriously, between supporting Gallywix and appointing Garrosh, one has to wonder about Thrall's judgment of people's character.
Speaking of goblins; while I'm a big fan of the classic Alliance themes, goblins are
way
cooler than gnomes. There's no discussion to be had. They just are. They always were.
Also, as time goes on I've become increasingly disappointed with how they've handled the Night Elves; Tyrande and Malfurion have become something of a joke, except for Hyjal NE's never really seem to do anything without heavy human supervision, and they just don't seem to have any of the bad-ass qualities they did. Night Elves in Warcraft III were cool; they were simultaneously a subversion of 'dark elves are evil' and 'wood elves are wimpy treehuggers'. Keepers of the Grove, Wardens, and both types of druids were all super-awesome units. Their buildings were alive, and could turn into superheavy monsters at will; when's the last time you saw an ancient actually do anything besides harass world-pvp seekers? Hell I sorta liked Illidan, even with his ridiculous weapons and emo "I can't get over how this girl likes my brother more" nonsense. Almost all of that has been ruined. Well, druids are still cool at least.
Post by
Adamsm
Sure we can't go there until they have a good idea for the zone(s?), but they're just humans, why do they get no representation besides Durnholde?Durnholde wasn't run by Kul Tirans though, it was under Lordaeron protection and Blackmoore came from there. Though, considering that the Kul Tiran's are probably embroiled in some type of succession war right now, since the actual leader was killed 11 years ago and his heir was semi-responsible for it, I have a feeling if/when we finally go there, there is going to be a major civil war raging...and Jaina will just make it worse if she's even in line for the throne anymore(but then maybe if she becomes the leader of Kul Tiras we can get someone a thousand times better to run the Kirin Tor...like I don't know, Khadgar who should have had the position in the first place*cough*bull^&*! prophecy crap*cough*).
Post by
matheus314
I'm sorry, but there's something we, well established engineers with a name to zeal, apply to our works called
Safety Factor
. That allows us to build something amazing
and
reliable at the same time! Now, that's something Gnomes do and Goblins don't, and the reason why those green little bullies will never achieve anything. I don't want be too picky, because... there's something Goblins know how to do. It's something that fly and explodes after a bit. Missles, you'd say?
No, no. Aircrafts.
And there's another thing. That super cannon in Azshara. They say it's pointed to Stormwind right? Why Garrosh never used it, since blowing up Alliance cities was probably one of his kinkiest fetishes? Because it'd probably blow up the whole island, and maybe Orgrimmar too, with it.
Pff... Goblins. =P
Post by
Rankkor
I'm sorry, but there's something we, well established engineers with a name to zeal, apply to our works called
Safety Factor
.
Except gnomish contraptions are no more safer than goblin ones. At least the goblin ones are efficient at what they do.
That allows us to build something amazing
and
reliable at the same time!
Reliable. HA! Good joke :P
Now, that's something Gnomes do and Goblins don't
Ohh really? then why are their best and most successful inventions, exclusively the ones that they had to specifically reverse-engineer from the goblins? I can tell you this much, the day a goblin has to lower himself to reverse-engineer a piece of goblin tech will be the day Sylvanas does the Caramelldansen side-by-side with Varian.
and the reason why those green little bullies will never achieve anything.
Never achieve anything. Right. Except surpass gnomes in every single way, every single time. Provide weapons and technology that brought the horde on par with the alliance, in half the time-span. Three times in a row. On multiple timelines. Create the most revolutionary engine that the world has ever seen and that has changed the face of industry as we know it (The Iron Star). Created the armor of Deathwing, an armor so powerful, that only a weapon forged by the old gods, and empowered by the rest of the dragon aspects could even put a dent on it. But no, those don't count am I right?
They also excel in many fronts, not just technology. They excel at archeology, technology, weapon development, marketing, accounting, mercenary work, and ohh so much more.
What do the gnomes excel at? besides making barely-functioning rickety crap that the dwarves have to reinforce so it doesn't fall apart? Being amazing punting targets. And the punchline of jokes
even within the alliance
(Type the /silly command on a draenei female)
And there's another thing. That super cannon in Azshara. They say it's pointed to Stormwind right? Why Garrosh never used it, since blowing up Alliance cities was probably one of his kinkiest fetishes? Because it'd probably blow up the whole island, and maybe Orgrimmar too, with it.
No, the reason he never used it is because that was the goblin's insurance policy. Their deterrent against attack by their enemies. That island is way out there exposed without much in the way of defence. The only thing preventing that island from being taken over, is that they can cause a lot of damage before being put out of comission. How effective is that cannon? The whole might of the alliance
didn't dare to set a single foot on that island during the whole duration of the Horde-Alliance war
. Despite having next to no large presence of the horde army in there.
They very much preferred to attack the heavily fortified city of Orgrimmar, rather than the exposed and vulnerable little island and risk that Cannon giving the crater previously known as Stormwind Park a twin to play with. That's how much they respect and fear goblin tech. It says a little that we've now seen at least a dozen different instances of gnomes studying and reverse-engineering goblin tech, but not a
single one time that a goblin dares to do the same.
They know they don't need to, their tech is already superior. Someone who invented the machine-gun has no need to study the primitive sling used by his neighbor.
Whenever an army wants weapons, reliable machinery, or efficient subcontractors, they hire goblins. The horde did it. The Iron Horde did it. Deathwing did it. Anyone who wishes to pose a credible threat, will do so with Goblin weapons. When was the last time a gnome posed a reliable threat? or helped someone be a reliable threat?
Yeah, that's right.
Gnomish capital was invaded by one of the most privitive races in the world (Troggs) literally cavemen with clubs,
and they lost
.
In their amazing display of genius they decided nuking their city was a good idea. And to this day, they haven't been able to reclaim it, nor rebuild elsewhere. To this day there are no major gnomish towns, or hubs anywhere, other than a tiny research station in the middle of nowhere in blade's edge, and an airstrip on borean tundra that they weren't even able to defend by themselves, so they had to get the horde to fight their enemies for them.
Goblins lost Kezan to the frigging
Aspect of Death
. Did that ever stopped them? no, they built a new city in record time, terraformed an entire zone in the shape of the horde crest just to make clear who's the boss, and then proceeded to build major settlements in many different places.
Their technology is so impressive, that the alliance mounted a high-scale offensive just to steal ONE goblin invention (The Samophlange) in the twilight Highlands.
If gnomes are so superior, why didn't the alliance had them invent a superior version of it? yep, because they know they cannot. Why hasn't the horde ever tried to steal a gnomish invention? because why the hell would we downgrade from a Ferrari to a pair of rollerskates?
Dude, if you're trying to even pretend that gnomes are even slightly superior to goblins, you're gonna lose. Big time. They're walking punchlines. Goblins on the other hand, are living embodiments of awesomeness.
As H3Knuckles said:
Speaking of goblins; while I'm a big fan of the classic Alliance themes, goblins are
way
cooler than gnomes. There's no discussion to be had. They just are. They always were.
Amen dude. Amen. There's no discussion to be had here =P(##RESPBREAK##)520##DELIM##Rankkor##DELIM##
Post by
matheus314
Amazing how you totally ignored the amazing gobling air force. No, wait...
No, the reason he never used it is because that was the goblin's insurance policy. Their deterrent against attack by their enemies. That island is way out there exposed without much in the way of defence. The only thing preventing that island from being taken over, is that they can cause a lot of damage before being put out of comission. How effective is that cannon? The whole might of the alliance didn't dare to set a single foot on that island during the whole duration of the Horde-Alliance war. Despite having next to no large presence of the horde army in there.
"Hmm... should I invest my time and resources on conquering a destroyed wasteland with an unprotected little town made by goblins or the heart city of the horde faction?"
Not to mention, and I forgive you for not thinking like that, any Alliance know that cannon will backfire HARD on whoever would like to use it.
Gnomish capital was invaded by one of the most privitive races in the world (Troggs) literally cavemen with clubs, and they lost.
Oh yeah, a maniac goblin enthusiast releasing a full nuclear meltdown at the heart of the city never had anything related to that, oh no...
...reverse engineering...
Any cientist worth his weight in salt would reverse engineer spoils from war. Knowledge of failure is almost as important as knowledge of success.
Whenever an army wants weapons, reliable machinery, or efficient subcontractors, they hire goblins. The horde did it. The Iron Horde did it. Deathwing did it. Anyone who wishes to pose a credible threat, will do so with Goblin weapons.
And again, where're all of them? Dead and defeated, or in the process of.
Post by
oneforthemoney
Arguing over who is the better engineer, goblins or gnomes, is like comparing apples to bananas. Their technology are on completely different wave lengths in terms of what they are intended to do.
Goblins like to blow things up but above all, do things quickly and cheaply, which leads back to the tendency of explosions. All their technology is basically an off shoot of explosives, which explains how they managed the internal combustion engine...Kind of. Gnomes already had flying machines, so presumably they got that as well but...Well, that's one of those technology hodgepodge things that WoW likes so much.
Gnomes, on the other hand, like to build things that do other things. Gnomes tend towards things like shrink rays, freeze rays, teleporters and helicopters. That's where the major ideological difference you see between them: Goblins use zeppelins which are useful for carrying large loads and are basically ships in the sky, Gnomes use helicopters whose main purpose (which everything off shoots from) is literally just to fly.
It really isn't that surprising that gnomes would reverse engineer goblin tech, as it is indeed better geared towards warfare, but that is not to say goblins haven't done likewise. I sincerely doubt a goblin discovered teleporting technology independent of the gnomes.
Post by
Rankkor
Gnomish capital was invaded by one of the most privitive races in the world (Troggs) literally cavemen with clubs, and they lost.
Oh yeah, a maniac goblin enthusiast releasing a full nuclear meltdown at the heart of the city never had anything related to that, oh no...
Two things.
First, they were losing to the primitive cavemen with clubs long
before
they decided to irradiate their own city. That was a last resort caused by desperation, not their literal first line of attack. In other words, they irradiated their city
because they were losing
. Not the other way around that you're implying (Which would be "they lost because they irradiated their city")
and second..... "Goblin enthusiast"? Dude, you do realize of course that Mekkatorque is a gnome right? He's not a goblin. And he wasn't the one who pulled the plug on the irradiators, that was Gelbin, who was convinced by Mekkatorque that someone nuking your own city was a good idea.
And again, where're all of them? Dead and defeated, or in the process of.
Way to miss the point.
The point being that it was goblin technology that made all of these armies a threat to begin with, and it required several factions piling up together to even stand a chance at taking them on.
When was the last time the gnomes posed a credible threat that required multiple races to team up to defeat them? that's right, never.
When an army wants to be dangerous, they arm themselves with Goblin ordinance. And they do become very dangerous. So dangerous that neither the horde, nor the alliance, can defeat them alone, and they have to team up in order to stand a chance.
When an army equips themselves with Gnomish ordinance......... wait...... they don't. Nobody does. Even the alliance uses dwarven guns and tanks because they know gnomish crap will just make them look bad on the field :P
Compare Goblins with Dwarves and there you have an even field of equal doses of awesome. Kinda like comparing
Batman
to
Iron-man
. Compare a Goblin with a gnome and its essentially like comparing
Batman
to......
Captain Carrot
.
Or
Captain Picard
vs
Captain Duck Dodgers
.
They are punchlines in the game dude. Acknowledged by both sides.
Any cientist worth his weight in salt would reverse engineer spoils from war. Knowledge of failure is almost as important as knowledge of success.
Oh my god, this is the most laughable argument I've ever seen. Good lord xD
None of the goblin inventions have ever failed. The armies wielding them have been defeated, but that's mostly because, again, it took the combined might of the alliance and horde to do that. The actual tools they used remained revolutionary cutting edge technology that baffled the limited and sad attempts of gnomish techs to do something.
Whenever they actually pull off a good invention, its because they reverse-engineered it from a goblin.
Again, the alliance actually mounted a full scale attack to steal ONE goblin creation (The Samophlange). If their oh-so-mighty gnomes are so awesome as you claim, why didn't THEY made one themselves? huh?
Why hasn't the horde ever attempted to hijack an alliance piece of technology? because we don't need to, that's why.
Goblins like to blow things up but above all, do things quickly and cheaply, which leads back to the tendency of explosions. All their technology is basically an off shoot of explosives.
Not really. Their cars and shredder battle-suits have nothing to do with explosives. Nor does that amazing armored Train we see in draenor, which puts the deeprun tram to shame.
Kezan was also an orgy of evidence that not all goblin technology is aimed at warfare, with Neon Signs, lightbulbs, assembly lines, pavement high-ways, and even carbonated drinks (if you don't think that's high-tech, just look how hard it is to make a simple alcoholic brew like rum, vs the complex chemical process behind a bottle of coca-cola.)
And no, goblins don't reverse-engineer off of gnomes. If anything, I wouldn't be surprised if it was the gnomes who created the teleporting tech based off a goblin design.
Gnomes already had flying machines, so presumably they got that as well but...Well, that's one of those technology hodgepodge things that WoW likes so much.
not quite. Gnomish inventions use steam-based engines, while Goblin ones use combustion, fuel, oil, carbon.
Considering that IRL the latter proved the superior one, we can safely haphazard which one is the superior one ingame as well.(##RESPBREAK##)520##DELIM##Rankkor##DELIM##
Post by
H3Knuckles
Sure we can't go there until they have a good idea for the zone(s?), but they're just humans, why do they get no representation besides Durnholde?Durnholde wasn't run by Kul Tirans though, it was under Lordaeron protection and Blackmoore came from there.
*smacks forhead* I meant the keep that used to be on the shore of Durotar; Tiragarde. Sorry, don't know how I got those mixed up.
Post by
Atik
Uh... Rank...
Check the first, second, and even third wars.
The entire reason the Horde has warmachines, and even ranged weaponry like bows and guns, is because the Alliance had them.
In the first war, the Orcs had warlocks and Ogre Magi, the Humans had crossbowmen. The Orcs had clubs and mauls, the Humans had swords.
Even in Warcraft 3, the major ranged attackers of the Horde were throwings spears and axes, rather than using bows or guns as they do in modern WoW. (Not counting spell casters or mercenaries like Goblins, obviously.)
Theres a reason that, despite the relatively small gap between the two times in WoD, without Garrosh there would have been a MASSIVE technology gap. (Granted, I still think that there only being 20-ish years for the First, Second, Third wars and all pre-WoD expansions to happen is TOTAL bull&*!@. But that's just me.)
The entire arms race between Alliance and Horde that sparked the technology explosion is one giant example of the factions stealing each others technology.
The only truly unique technology that comes to mind is that the Forsaken are the only guys who dabble in Biological warfare, but I might be wrong there.
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