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Post by
matheus314
And it would please me to kill Vereesas twins
I guess Sylvannas would love to have a (s)word on that specific matter with you...
If she is half as evil as people think she is then brutal murder is no biggie.
Chatoic evil FTW!
Oh yeah, cos' that's what will happen with you when she heard you're trying to kill her two lil' sisters.
Post by
Rankkor
And it would please me to kill Vereesas twins
I guess Sylvannas would love to have a (s)word on that specific matter with you...
If she is half as evil as people think she is then brutal murder is no biggie.
Chatoic evil FTW!
I'd hardly classify Sylvanas as Chaotic Evil. She's far too controlled and self-contained, calculative, and witty for that. (Minus her wangsting rant on War Crimes, that was sort of an out of character moment for her)
If anything, I'd say she fits way better the Lawful Evil archetype.
Post by
morginar
I'd hardly classify Sylvanas as Chaotic Evil. She's far too controlled and self-contained, calculative, and witty for that. (Minus her wangsting rant on War Crimes, that was sort of an out of character moment for her)
If anything, I'd say she fits way better the Lawful Evil archetype.
Indeed, though ally fans seem to label her chaotic evil and kicks puppies for lulz.
So the Sylvanas blue fanatics see wouln't mind friends/minions/family die and /lol about it,
Post by
Adamsm
Finally getting around to doing the Green Fire quest line...and must have missed the reveal that the Doomguards were the Titan's hounds for the purpose of policing magic. That's....interesting. *mind starts churning for how to turn that into stories/characters*
Post by
Rankkor
wait till you get to the part about the reliquary of souls in black temple.
Also, tsk tsk tsk, you waited until
now
to do it? bro', you missed your window of opportunity to get the "Of the Black Harvest" title. It was a FoS for defeating the green fire boss before patch 6.0
Me, I got the green fire ages ago on my alliance warlock (All the way back to april last year) and got it again on my horde lock on mid-august.
Being green is cool :P
Post by
Stabhorn
wait till you get to the part about the reliquary of souls in black temple.
What about it?
Post by
Rankkor
On the warlock green fire quest, it reveals some nice details about that reliquary.
Namely, the powers in the room where the reliquary was, rivaled those of the Well of Eternity. And it was that what Illidan used to bribe the demons of the burning legion to come over to his side. Their payment was to drink from the energies on the reliquary room. By feeding from that room, they were broken free from the legion's magic.
That room was also what he originally planned to offer to the blood elves to free them from their addiction to the sunwell, but he changed his mind at the last minute. I guess he suspected Kael'thas all along.
Karenhad raises a very important question that I never noticed before. Either it was just a coincidence, or blizzard was planning this all along from TBC. But didn't you noticed how the demons serving Illidan were free of the fel green coloration that is so common on burning legion forces? That's why. The reliquary of Souls.
Post by
morginar
On the warlock green fire quest, it reveals some nice details about that reliquary.
Namely, the powers in the room where the reliquary was, rivaled those of the Well of Eternity. And it was that what Illidan used to bribe the demons of the burning legion to come over to his side. Their payment was to drink from the energies on the reliquary room. By feeding from that room, they were broken free from the legion's magic.
That room was also what he originally planned to offer to the blood elves to free them from their addiction to the sunwell, but he changed his mind at the last minute. I guess he suspected Kael'thas all along.
Karenhad raises a very important question that I never noticed before. Either it was just a coincidence, or blizzard was planning this all along from TBC. But didn't you noticed how the demons serving Illidan were free of the fel green coloration that is so common on burning legion forces? That's why. The reliquary of Souls.
So in theory a high amount of arcane can get rid of the green eyes blood elves have, like a buffed sunwell or well of eternity? Oh yea green orcs too, with spirits or sumthing?
And am I the only one that hates that the leader of the black harvest and most powerfull member is a human? Or wood for the fire of human supremancy *rolls eyes* Would it hurt to be a non-human for once be The best at something?
Post by
Rankkor
So in theory a high amount of arcane can get rid of the green eyes blood elves have, like a buffed sunwell or well of eternity? Oh yea green orcs too, with spirits or sumthing?
And am I the only one that hates that the leader of the black harvest and most powerfull member is a human? Or wood for the fire of human supremancy *rolls eyes* Would it hurt to be a non-human for once be The best at something?
To be fair, Karenthad is neither "the leader" nor "the most powerful". All six members have the same power, and none of them commands the other. They just agreed to grudgingly cooperate with each other to gain more power. They don't like each other, don't respect each other, and don't even like one another, but they work together to progress on their own paths of power.
And Karenthad
failed
at controlling his power which is how he ended up permanently turning into Demon
Post by
matheus314
So much lore for such an specific niche of the players... =/
Don't get me wrong, so far I love the whole Idea of what they are doing with the end game class specific questing. I guess they could at least do an off-game short story of the tale of the green-fire quests, and then make it avaliable only after a while the in-game quests, so you don't get spoiled if you want, because some people will not level a warlock just to see lore happening.
Post by
morginar
because some people will not level a warlock
You lost me.
So much lore for such an specific niche of the players... =/I could say that it was about time warlocks got some lore. Mages get lore with the kirin tor, druids with the cenarion circle, shamans with earthern ring, death knights with ebon blade (and scoruge), paladins with blood knight order/sunwalker/argents.
There is much to know about warlocks. And black harvest shall keep on giving (i hope).
Post by
Rankkor
So much lore for such an specific niche of the players... =/
Don't get me wrong, so far I love the whole Idea of what they are doing with the end game class specific questing. I guess they could at least do an off-game short story of the tale of the green-fire quests, and then make it avaliable only after a while the in-game quests, so you don't get spoiled if you want, because some people will not level a warlock just to see lore happening.
Meh, a HUUUUUGE chunk of lore was Rogue-Exclusive in cataclysm too with the Fangs of the Father questline. And an equally large chunk of lore (which is now made irrelevant as of War Crimes) was given only to casters with the questline of Dragonwrath. Even prior to that, a rather important event in lore was exclusive to warriors and paladins who obtained the Corrupted Ashbringer and entered the scarlet monastery.
Blizzard has said that they'd love to do class-exclusive quests for every class, but they take a lot of time to make, and can't just do it all the time. The Warlock Green Fire quest alone was initially planned for 5.0 but it took so long to write and create that it had to be pushed back to 5.2
Blood Elf paladins had initially planned a unique questline for themselves but that too seems to have been shelved.
On an interesting offtopic, they've vaguely hinted several times (but not outright confirmed) that Draenor will be unlike other continents added in previous expansions because we're actually going to spend more than one expansion there.
I dunno, but the way they've worded some of their answers leads me to believe that the expansion after WoD will also take place on the draenor of the past, perhaps on the distant Ogre Continent? I'd like to believe (But find it VERY unlikely) that we'll visit the Azeroth of that alternate timeline.
Post by
matheus314
I agree, Rank. And I really don't have anything against specific classes geting specific quests with specific lore attatched to them.
Except
that the players from the other classes should be able to access all that lore, somehow (in or off-game, whatever) after a while.
The way of a short-story (like they have been doing with the leaders and so), seems to be a nice way to do it, since it'll be off-game and totally away from whoever wants to experience it in game and not be spoiled. That way they can write the story, then make it happen in game, and after a while, launch it on the site for whoever would not feel obliged to do it in game.
Now, I have no rogue in my toon roster, I really don't like the way it plays, and my warlock is level 20ish... maybe someday I'll give it more attention. I'm really forcing my
*resto*
druid into Dragonwrath questline (done with Val'anyr already) ... And will certainly gonna push my Paladin to get Shadowmourne and Quel'serrar (can we still do this questline?).
That's a lot of very exclusive, class-specific (sometimes more than one class, but still), heavy lore content.
Regarding your off-topic, I see no problem on stayin in Draenor for much longer than a single expansion. The place is amazing, and god knows, Azeroth needs a break,
amirite
?
Post by
Stabhorn
I worry about what will happen to our Azeroth in our absence.
Post by
Rankkor
I worry about what will happen to our Azeroth in our absence.
We come back after 2 years in Draenor, and find out that in our absence, the alliance was taken over by a militant sentiment that gave rise to the scarlet crusade to super-power status, the horde was taken over by garrosh loyalist remnants, and the few that refused to join either side, simply became bronies, put on sunglasses and sipped coconut rum while watching the two sides kill each other.
We come back and are stupefied to see all of this, when the bronies just offer us a coconut drink and say "chill".
In all seriousness, who knows.
I agree, Rank. And I really don't have anything against specific classes geting specific quests with specific lore attatched to them.
Except
that the players from the other classes should be able to access all that lore, somehow (in or off-game, whatever) after a while.
Well, there's always wowpedia to see and read the quests and dialog, and youtube. That's how I was able to see the lore in the Fangs of the Father questline, because I have no rogue at the appropriate level, and while I plan to level one for WoD, its so low on my list of priorities, that rogue will probably be lvl 100 by late 2015.
Now, I have no rogue in my toon rooster, I really don't like the way it plays
You should try them again. They got a lot of nice quality-of-life improvements after 6.0 and their lvl 100 talent "Death from Above" has to be the most awesome-looking attack in the game. BAR NONE.
And will certainly gonna push my Paladin to get Shadowmourne and Quel'serrar (can we still do this questline?).
2 small corrections.
Quel'serrar is the sword that drops from Onyxia, and doesn't require a quest (Though I think only warriors and paladins can use it) The one you meant was Quel'delar.
and secondly, I strongly encourage you to do the Quel'delar questline as a blood elf :P (not a priest though, a blood elf that can actually use swords). Blood Elves have a unique ending, that no other race (either alliance or horde) has. So in their case the story not only feels more authentic, the ending feels a lot more canon.(##RESPBREAK##)520##DELIM##Rankkor##DELIM##
Post by
morginar
I worry about what will happen to our Azeroth in our absence.
Well, either time travel law of time travel that made us pop back to our univerce a few seconds after the iron horde invasion ended.
Or blizzard has to revamp 1-60 or EK is the new 100+X to 100+X+10 is EK.Now, I have no rogue in my toon rooster, I really don't like the way it plays
How can you not play a rogue?
and secondly, I strongly encourage you to do the Quel'delar questline as a blood elf :P (not a priest though, a blood elf that can actually use swords). Blood Elves have a unique ending, that no other race (either alliance or horde) has. So in their case the story not only feels more authentic, the ending feels a lot more canon. Though Liadrin get's it in WoD...
Perhaps you should roll a blood elf rogue and dual Quel'Delar?
Post by
matheus314
Quel'serrar is the sword that drops from Onyxia, and doesn't require a quest (Though I think only warriors and paladins can use it) The one you meant was Quel'delar.
and secondly, I strongly encourage you to do the Quel'delar questline as a blood elf :P (not a priest though, a blood elf that can actually use swords). Blood Elves have a unique ending, that no other race (either alliance or horde) has. So in their case the story not only feels more authentic, the ending feels a lot more canon.
Thanks for the corrections. And my pally IS a Blood Elf. So I'm defnitely trying them.
Now, I have no rogue in my toon roster, I really don't like the way it plays
How can you not play a rogue?
and secondly, I strongly encourage you to do the Quel'delar questline as a blood elf :P (not a priest though, a blood elf that can actually use swords). Blood Elves have a unique ending, that no other race (either alliance or horde) has. So in their case the story not only feels more authentic, the ending feels a lot more canon. Though Liadrin get's it in WoD...
Perhaps you should roll a blood elf rogue and dual Quel'Delar?
First of all, I
kill
rogues. Even before any kind of healer, a good rogue is a dead rogue (I'm not too fond of pvp, as you can tell).
Secondly, the two times I tried to play them, I got really really bored even before level 20 (I know there's an abyss of difference between that and top level, but I think you can understand that if a class doesn't hook you for the early levels, something else is going on...).
Post by
Rankkor
Try them again, they feel very different post 6.0
The most noticeable change in them is that combo points are no longer stored on the target, but on yourself, so making use of finishing moves while leveling is way easier and efficient. And at lvl 100, Death from Above really is the most awesome-looking attack ever made.
Bar none.
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Post by
Rankkor
IMO that was the worst class change they've made so far, bar holy power. Rogue combos and paladin combos are practically identical at this point....
Not quite. With the exception of Word of Glory, all paladin Holy-Power moves require specifically 3 points of Holy Power, out of 5 you can accumulate.
Unlike the rogues, who have multiple finishers who variate in intensity depending on how many combo points you use.
If anything, I'd say they're more similar to the Shadow Orbs of the shadow priests.
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