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Post by
cephadex
Its also a possible motivation for Kairoz to do what he did, because the Infinite Dragonflight (being from a myriad of different timelines) still have their powers, and thus, still have the capacity to control/police the timeways in some form. Its possible he sees that excessive and tyranical control over the timelines is better than absolutely no control at all. Even if he's the one who's causing the disruptions in the first place.
That
is
his motivation... From wowpedia:
Kairoz is affiliated with a faction of discontent bronze dragons that believes they should change history to create a better future, despite having lost the power to perceive the full impact these changes could have on the timeline.
Post by
Tyrtun
Does anybody know how Kargath Bladefist gets to highmaul? I have done all story quests in beta but I didn't see anything so far. Is it explained inside the raid or something?
Post by
Rankkor
Its sorta explained.
The Ogres of Highmaul have entered into an alliance of convenience with the Iron Horde, mostly because their empire has declined so much that they can't face the iron horde and win, so they may as well join the winning side. Because of this, the Iron Horde sent one of their warlords to keep the ogres in line, and Kargath volunteered. Not only to have the pleasure of bossing around the same people who once enslaved him, but also because he's a gladiator at heart, and he loves to participate on the matches in the coliseum.
TL;DR: He's there as a liaison, between the Iron Horde and the Gorian Empire.
Post by
cephadex
I'm a bit late doing the questing and all, so I only recently got to the bit with Orgrim. Did they really ruin the bromance between him and Durotan? :/
Post by
Rankkor
I'm a bit late doing the questing and all, so I only recently got to the bit with Orgrim. Did they really ruin the bromance between him and Durotan? :/
Worse yet. It was shot down before it even began. I have no idea what where they trying to do with Doomhammer in this expansion.
First they say in Blizzcon that him siding with the Blackrocks would be a big part of Durotan's story as he feels betrayed by his best friend.
Then we show up in talador, and for all intents and purposes, Doomhammer seems like a loyal member of the Iron Horde. Giving inspirational speeches to his troops, ordering them to sack a draenei town, and when confronted by Durotan, he says that the invaders from azeroth are enemies of draenor and his loyalties lie with the iron horde.
Then during the climax of the zone, and out of absolutely nowhere, he has a heel-face turn, says that Blackhand would destroy all of draenor, and gets immediately killed afterward. It just comes out of nowhere, and then his character is removed before it can truly bring any form of closing. The entire subplot of his conflict with durotan went under the table, and in the end he was just a generic orc who was removed from the story abruptly and anticlimactically, since he doesn't even gets a badass duel with Blackhand or anything.
NOT.COOL.
Edit: Also you're not late. You're doing them at the best time. I had to go through all of Draenor with no music, no voice-acting, no cutscenes, and no cinematics, with a lot of quests bugged, and a lot of events not triggering. You are playing these zones as they are meant to be played. With full voice-acting and awesome music to boot. The only thing missing are the "wrathgate-style cinematics" of which there are plenty, at least one per zone (With the exeption of Arak)(##RESPBREAK##)520##DELIM##Rankkor##DELIM##
Post by
cephadex
gets immediately killed afterward. It just comes out of nowhere, and then his character is removed before it can truly bring any form of closing.
What?
D:
Post by
matheus314
...Witch Hunt...
Yay, Witch Hunt!
Who doesn't like to burn some crazy-bad-magic-space-goats?
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Best episode so far.
(##RESPBREAK##)520##DELIM##Rankkor##DELIM##Don't double post ;)
Post by
Rankkor
Meh, it was pretty darned good, but Kargath's episode is still my favorite of the whole bunch. Maybe because I'm such a huge fan of Spartacus.
Post by
matheus314
Thanks for the fixing. Won't gonna happen again. Maybe that's how one could summon you to the thread? ;)
The reason why I liked Kilrogg's one the best is that I think it's the one with almost no plot holes about the Bleeding Hollow original story, except that Kilrogg's being killed by Alliance on his vision, but I'm not 100% sure of how it ended happening...
Post by
cephadex
The Kilrogg episode made me a bit tearful, not sure if it's from it being badass and how perfect the ending was, or the fact that I wanted to relate to it as an orc fan but honestly couldn't.
And incidentally, I've played for a while... I just did a lot of
dying
exploration without leveling or questing. So I know what you mean about zones without music and no cutscenes/cinematics. There's still a lot of buggy stuff... by the way, Rankkor, I got to the bit where you have to solicit the Kirin Tor's aid in connecting your ley lines, and other than the fact that it's messed up to have to resort to that, how come Krelas, a blood elf, is with the Kirin Tor in the first place? He's not a high elf for sure. But either way, even if you're an orc or tauren warrior or something, can't you just go to Rommath's magisters or Aethas' Sunreavers who were rescued from Dalaran to connect your ley lines...
Post by
Skreeran
Killrogg is easily my favorite chieftain, and I loved that episode. Fantastic stuff.
Post by
Rankkor
And incidentally, I've played for a while... I just did a lot of
dying
exploration without leveling or questing. So I know what you mean about zones without music and no cutscenes/cinematics. There's still a lot of buggy stuff... by the way, Rankkor, I got to the bit where you have to solicit the Kirin Tor's aid in connecting your ley lines, and other than the fact that it's messed up to have to resort to that, how come Krelas, a blood elf, is with the Kirin Tor in the first place? He's not a high elf for sure. But either way, even if you're an orc or tauren warrior or something, can't you just go to Rommath's magisters or Aethas' Sunreavers who were rescued from Dalaran to connect your ley lines...
That right there is the main reason I'm SO glad to have been invited to hte beta, so I wont make that mistake on live.
But yes, you are correct, requesting the help of the Kirin Tor makes absolutely no sense, when the very people who taught humans magic in the first place (The blood elves) are in full force on Talador. We could had easily asked Astalor Bloodsworn who is an archamage on his own right to help us connect the ley lines.
And you are correct in that Krelas is yet another plot hole, as he's clearly no high elf at all. All in all, anyone who's a horde fan should avoid the arcane sanctum on Talador at all costs. The cooldown is not even that good, the artillery tower is 10 times better (even as alliance, that cooldown is just too good).
The reason why I liked Kilrogg's one the best is that I think it's the one with
almost no plot holes
about the Bleeding Hollow original story, ecept that Kilrogg's being killed by Alliance on his vision, but I'm not 100% sure of how it ended happening...
Actually, there is one. His death on the vision was clearly on a battlefield, against an army, with his body full of arrows.
Kilrogg originally died on the ruins of Auchindoun after Dannath Trollbane bested him in a duel.(##RESPBREAK##)520##DELIM##Rankkor##DELIM##
Post by
oneforthemoney
The reason why I liked Kilrogg's one the best is that I think it's the one with
almost no plot holes
about the Bleeding Hollow original story, ecept that Kilrogg's being killed by Alliance on his vision, but I'm not 100% sure of how it ended happening...
Actually, there is one. His death on the vision was clearly on a battlefield, against an army, with his body full of arrows.
Kilrogg originally died on the ruins of Auchindoun after Dannath Trollbane bested him in a duel.
I think the smaller disparities between the narrations can make sense here in that it is the Warlord's Kilrogg who is seeing his fate rather than the original, so it's much less egregious than some of the other ones, and the narration didn't actually get into those specifics. I'm willing to give that one a pass.
Post by
Skreeran
Still love it. Kilrogg is a bad Mother Hubbard.
Edit: Just watched the Dark Portal Intro cutscene. You know, I don't actually mind Khadgar's new model. Sure, he shaved his beard, but his appearance was never really set in stone, with Tides of Darkness, Beyond the Dark Portal, the RPG books, and WoW all having very different appearances for him. His new look is a good compromise, I think. He doesn't look young to me in the cutscenes; when he speaks, you can see wrinkles and stress lines on his face.
Post by
Rankkor
The reason why I liked Kilrogg's one the best is that I think it's the one with
almost no plot holes
about the Bleeding Hollow original story, ecept that Kilrogg's being killed by Alliance on his vision, but I'm not 100% sure of how it ended happening...
Actually, there is one. His death on the vision was clearly on a battlefield, against an army, with his body full of arrows.
Kilrogg originally died on the ruins of Auchindoun after Dannath Trollbane bested him in a duel.
I think the smaller disparities between the narrations can make sense here in that it is the Warlord's Kilrogg who is seeing his fate rather than the original, so it's much less egregious than some of the other ones, and the narration didn't actually get into those specifics. I'm willing to give that one a pass.
Yeah, you're right.
Post by
cephadex
That right there is the main reason I'm SO glad to have been invited to hte beta, so I wont make that mistake on live.
But yes, you are correct, requesting the help of the Kirin Tor makes absolutely no sense, when the very people who taught humans magic in the first place (The blood elves) are in full force on Talador. We could had easily asked Astalor Bloodsworn who is an archamage on his own right to help us connect the ley lines.
And you are correct in that Krelas is yet another plot hole, as he's clearly no high elf at all. All in all, anyone who's a horde fan should avoid the arcane sanctum on Talador at all costs. The cooldown is not even that good, the artillery tower is 10 times better (even as alliance, that cooldown is just too good).
Yes, I just recently got the quest for Liadrin and Astalor (Kael's former #2 fan). Not only did the high elves teach the humans magic, but I seem to recall they started the Kirin Tor in the first place in order to provide an environment where humans could learn it without being ostracized. Then eventually the humans imprisoned the BEs in Dalaran not once but twice. At any rate, the Krelas bit seems too blatant to be an oversight to me: even as you head to the Kirin Tor area some guard calls out that the horde is not allowed there, and yet you're being brought there to speak with a fellow horde. On the other hand, it doesn't seem like there's any more to the story beyond that. I don't know, I feel sorry for him, he does ask to join your cause in the end after all.
I still say it makes no sense for the Lords of War eps to intend the stories to be "uniquely the Warlords timeline." It strikes me that the intent is for those events to be common to both timelines (even if they're incorrect for the original lore). Even if you can argue that small disparities were not technically included in Maraad's narration because at that point it's just the animation without his voice, it would still make no sense for something to start out as his memories and then begin to include minute differences because "now it's switched to Warlords-only lore." I really think that if Bliz intended for it to be Warlords-unique lore, they'd have made that very clear in some way,and because they don't make that clear, they know that most viewers would assume that this is the
only
lore. Meaning they want it to be perceived as lore common to both timelines.
Then again, bliz have done some things that stunned me in how stupid they seemed in the past (like Wrathion thinking the Iron Horde would be good for fighting against Azeroth's forces as to "train" us in preparation for the Legion, as opposed to, you know, having the Iron Horde fight directly against the Legion if they're so powerful... or, you know, the fact that supposedly the Iron Horde is what would best prepare us for fighting the Legion, even after we've beaten Kil'jaeden and Archimonde... but I digress...) So maybe they
are
doing some stupid, irrational thing with the Lords of War eps and they really do mean all this is somehow Warlords-only lore.
Post by
Adamsm
Re-reading Rise of the Horde....and just realized, no where in the book do they mention Durotan's mother, so I think I like his Lords story all the more now.
Also....maybe we're looking at this wrong. They aren't completely clear when the Lords information is taking place. What if this is after Maraad came back from Alt Draenor?
Post by
Rankkor
This has to be the most awesome thing I've seen in the game yet.
(Of course, spoilers)
Oscar Clip right here.
(More spoilers of course)
You know, despite how much I despise garrosh, on that scene, I couldn't help but feel sorry for him. Deep beneath the bravado, the rage, the warmongering, is just an abandoned child who was trying to earn the love, respect, and pride of the person he saw as a paternal figure (in the absence of his real father). His methods to earn that respect sucked. Big time. But all he wanted, was for Thrall to say "I'm proud of you, Garrosh" at least once.
Since he never got to that point, he tried again with Grom.(##RESPBREAK##)520##DELIM##Rankkor##DELIM##
Post by
Adamsm
Which make no sense lol, since Thrall is younger then Garrosh :P
Post by
oneforthemoney
Which make no sense lol, since Thrall is younger then Garrosh :P
Yeah, but Garrosh has always been a punk. By the time Thrall was his age he had united the orcs, took the fight to the Legion, and helped kill one of the top two leaders in all the Legion, and then gained the orcs a new homeland.
Garrosh pouted on a hill.
Not really hard to see how he might have looked up at him, but let's face it. That was not Blizzard's intention when they made Garrosh enemy #1. Like many other things in WoD, its a bit of a painful retcon.
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