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Post by
Rankkor
the important part is that he's gone, and we're never seeing him again.
(Unless they decide to revive him...................... OH MY GOD! I hope they don't T_T)
Post by
Adamsm
Eh, I disagree there; I like Krasus and Rhonin and Med'an. I was sad to see Krasus die, even if it was so epically.
Post by
Behelich
Well they rezzed Muradin and Mal'Ganis (minus two on Arthas's kill list, le grumble).
Note that rezzing of Balnazzar could be seen coming miles away.
And rezzing Krasus would not be all that bad compared to, say, rezzing Grom.
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588688
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Post by
Rankkor
Well, still, it's excellent that each character get's their own personal story, that has, from what I've read on their site, thousands of different story choice options. It gives motivation to multiple characters, so you can experience significantly different storylines.
Too bad you can only make 5 characters per account >_> And all of them have to be on the same server. If you want more characters, you gotta pay real money.
=/ Bummer.
What was so bad about Rhonin and Krasus anyway?
Besides the fact that they were obvious Author Avatar Mary Sues?
Post by
Adamsm
What was so bad about Rhonin and Krasus anyway?
Besides the fact that they were obvious Author Avatar Mary Sues?
Eh, Rhonin was bad in War of the Ancients book, but he was good in his own. And I wouldn't call Krasus an Author Avatar; he had too many fails for that.
But I still like them both, and if Golden keeps going the way she's going, Knaak is going to be the better Warcraft author....but Jeff Grubb is still the best author they had on their pay roll.
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588688
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Post by
Monday
It's more that whenever he gets into a pickle, he just invents a new spell to solve it.
And he's a friend of the Dragonqueen, became head of Dalaran after being banished, married into the Windrunner family, etc. His books feel like fanfics that have been canon'd.
Post by
Rankkor
It's more that whenever he gets into a pickle, he just invents a new spell to solve it.
And he's a friend of the Dragonqueen, became head of Dalaran after being banished, married into the Windrunner family, etc. His books feel like fanfics that have been canon'd.
Thank you bro' =D this right here illustrates my main gripe against the "fiery haired wizard" (And Knaak's flamboyant prose to remind us of how awesome he is
DOES NOT HELPS!
)
Post by
Adamsm
Yeah but at least Knaak writes better romance then Golden....though, that's not that hard heh.
Post by
Rankkor
>_> ohh would you knock it off with the romance? Excluding the crappy romances, Golden's Novels in general are FAR FAR FAR more enjoyable than the Knaak snooze-fests. Her action scenes are much better as well. Golden has a single flaw on her writting (romance) whereas Knaak has so many I honestly lost count
(Including sue-ification of his characters, flamboyant prose, excessive description of the scenery (yeah I got it, Zin-Azshari was a gorgeous city, would you please spend less than 20 pages describing it?) terrible pacing, boring fight sequences, and a list that could go on for several minutes. And this is without mentioning his very obvious pro-alliance bias. At least golden can be unbiased enough to do a great job describing alliance and horde characters, Knaak always feels the need to remind us how monstrous the horde is, and how stinking, ugly, deformed, and monstrous they are.)
Post by
Morec0
I'm with rank on this on, Adams. If the one flaw is a writer's innability to create a romance subplot, so be it. It's not like a love story has to be in every single freakin' thing (although, sadly, the American mindset (at the least) appears to be just that). Hell, I can't write love worth !@#$, and still I get compliments on my own personal work.
Whereas Knaak, like rank said, has a list of things that are wrong with his work; although, if one looked closely enough I suppose that one could find a whole host of things wrong with Golden's stories as well. And another thing about Knaak and Golden; when the later of the two writes a story based in Warcraft's history, they do it based on the history! I just re-read sections of Rise of the Lich King after playing through the WC3 campaigns and whole word-for-word scenes and dialouge is in there. How did Knaak handle War of the Ancients against... Oh, yeah; TIME TRAVELING!
/end tangent
Post by
Adamsm
That's the thing Rank; I wasn't super impressed with Twilight of the Aspects, it's easily the worst book she's written for the Warcraft Universe. At least with Knaak's stuff I enjoy it; both the Shattering and Twilight of the Aspects felt like nearly as massive chores to read through as War of the Ancient was.
She's good...but after reading the authors who popped up for the Legend mangas, she's not the best anymore and she still doesn't hold a candle to Jeff Grubb.
Also, the only time Knaak mentions 'disgusting ugly orcs' is if it's either A) View point of a biased character B) The orc in question has been through so much stuff in his life it's hard to remain 'pretty'(Brox is a very good example of that) or C) The orcs in question are evil(such as the Dragonmaws of Day of the Dragon). His descriptions of Garrosh and his forces in Wolfheart weren't any different from what you'd get in any of the other authors books; Garrosh was Garrosh, and the orcs around him were the standard ones.
I know Knaak likes to over describe things, but that's not always horrible either; he enjoys Night Elf architecture and makes it come alive to you.
As for the action scenes....that depends on the book: Wolfheart had better ones then Twilight did, and some of the war scenes from WotA were mind blowing.
But for all you call the characters Knaak writes as 'sues', at least they have some life to them; if someone wasn't a major character in a book with Golden, they are flat and one dimensional...even Jaina got hit by that in Arthas Rise of the Lich King.
Post by
Monday
Jeff Grubb.
I can agree with this.
Post by
Rankkor
That's the thing Rank; I wasn't super impressed with Twilight of the Aspects, it's easily the worst book she's written for the Warcraft Universe.
I can somewhat agree with this, as far as what she's written, this has been her weakest one yet.
At least with Knaak's stuff I enjoy it; both
the Shattering
and Twilight of the Aspects felt like nearly as massive chores to read through as War of the Ancient was.
ARE YOU F****KING KIDDING ME? Dude, The Shattering is one of the finest books on the whole entire franchise, I was unable to put it down. Yes, I know, EVERY SINGLE SCENE TAINTED BY AGGRA was a horrible pain in the ass to read, but the entire plot with the taurens, as well as the entire plot with Anduin and the ironforge coup were amazing. The whole book (Minus the bits where aggra opened her mouth) was made of win.
But for all you call the characters Knaak writes as 'sues', at least they have some life to them; if someone wasn't a major character in a book with Golden, they are flat and one dimensional...even Jaina got hit by that in Arthas Rise of the Lich King.
pfft, as if Knaak didn't do the same.
Describe Varo'then here pls: Creepy dude, obsessed with Azshara...................... and that's about it.
I could do this with just about everyone on every single one of his books.
Describe Valeera here pls: Elf Chick. Damsel that needs to be rescued and can't fight for sh1t, loves to b1tch a lot though.
I've read only a few Knaak books and they were such a pain in the ass (WOTA and Day of the dragon) that I've given up on reading anything else he writes, which is why I only read a summary for stormrage and wolfheart)
Golden's books are so amazing I have a hard time putting them down, stuff like Lord of the Clans, Rise of the Horde, Beyond the Dark Portal, Rise of the Lich King and The Shattering, were so impressive and engaging, I honestly could not put the damn book down. In a single night I'd read tons of pages and finish them in record time.
With Day of the Dragon, I had to force myself to finish it, and with Night of the Dragon it got so bad I gave up on it mid-way.
Post by
Adamsm
Beyond the Dark PortalThat one was a collaboration with Aaron Rosenburg; that's probably the only reason that the Turyalon and Alleria romance didn't become a plot tumour, since she had someone else writing those scenes.
I finished the Shattering in one day....but that doesn't mean I enjoyed it that much; she had a lot of slow parts beyond just Aggra in the book. Even the stuff with Anduin was 'Oh look at the smart boy out smart everyone else in 2 moves! Man those Dark Iron's sure are dumb' or the bodyguard who got the house dropped on her....for no real reason other then to give him some angst time. Even Baine got hit with the mediocre stick even while reclaiming Thunder Bluff, and don't get me started on what happened to the Crone and Jaina.....Sad as it is, the Garrosh scenes out of the Shattering were my favorite.
Describe Valeera here pls: Elf Chick. Damsel that needs to be rescued and can't fight for sh1t, loves to b1tch a lot though.I'm calling Bias on that one Rank: Seeing her kick ass and take names in Night of the Dragon as she hunts her cousin after what he nearly did to her children. Even in Day of the Dragon I agree there was a lot of angsting over Rhonin for no real reason; but she still fought back, right along the Wildhammer.
At least Valeera fared better then Jaina did: between the #$%^ and dump, and then the fact that she doesn't do anything at all, where the Jaina in Warcraft 3 was fighting alongside Arthas right up to Culling, says that Golden didn't find her that 'important'...never mind what that did to Arthas in the game.
It's why I'm leery of reading Tides of War; I have a really bad feeling what happened with Twilight of the Aspects is going to happen again, and we are going to get a sub-par book.
Post by
Rankkor
I'm calling Bias on that one Rank: Seeing her kick ass and take names in Night of the Dragon as she hunts her cousin after what he nearly did to her children.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt there because I dind't finished Night, I started it, but the horrid pacing, and prose of the author broke the camel's back for me and I just went "ahh screw it, I'll just read the summary on wowpedia"
Even in Day of the Dragon I agree there was a lot of angsting over Rhonin for no real reason; but she still fought back, right along the Wildhammer.
Pfft, quote a part of the book where she's actually useful. All she did on that book was whine, get kidnapped, whine again, needing to be rescued from a deadly trap, and whine some more. By the end of the book I was actually desiring deathwing to simply eat her.
It's why I'm leery of reading Tides of War; I have a really bad feeling what happened with Twilight of the Aspects is going to happen again, and we are going to get a sub-par book.
And I'm more optimistic precisely because its written by Golden, if we judge her by the books she's written, she has a whooping 5 amazing books, vs 1 somewhat average one (because twilight wasn't a downright bad book, it was somewhat enjoyable, but much "lesser" than her previous work).
That one was a collaboration with Aaron Rosenburg; that's probably the only reason that the Turyalon and Alleria romance didn't become a plot tumour, since she had someone else writing those scenes.
This is just me speculating (since I have no proof of this) but I think Aaron wrote everything regarding the alliance side (With Turalyon and the others) while Golden wrote the horde parts (with grom, bladefist, and ner'zhul)
And by far its the second best warcraft book I've ever read on my life. Golden and Aaron should team up more often. Its like they compliment each other greatly, ala CAPTAIN PLANET!
Post by
Adamsm
Probably not, since Aaron wrote Tides of Darkness and did both sides for that one.
As for Golden, she's equal to Knaak at this point in regards to writing.
Post by
Rankkor
As for Golden, she's equal to Knaak at this point in regards to writing.
BLASPHEMOUS
Knaak is not even close to be in the same league as golden is. Again golden has one flaw. Knaak has one entire essay on how many flaws he has.
Post by
Rankkor
/sighs
I just remembered why I shouldn't post on MMOchump.
There is this thread about (and I quote) "Alliance Dalaran pretty much confirmed".
The level of stupidity within that thread................... it hurts T_T
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