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Post by
Adamsm
Resurrection should be a RARE thing, when its abused as a narrative element (like on Dragon Ball) it becomes cheap, crappy, and a horrible narrative for ANY story arc.
Heh, well, if they start adding in
Shadow versions
of the resurrected heroes......
Yes, I liked the Shadow Dragon arc of DBGT, as Shin/Omega Shenron was just pure bad ass; I mean come on, the guy juggled Vegeta on his shoulder spikes and laughed about it the entire time!
Post by
Rankkor
still, death is supossed to be a very serious narrative element, because its a permanent condition. its not like a diseases which may or may not be cured, or a journey, or anything. The reason it has such an impact is because whoever gets it, its gone for good. With all the implications that carries.
As such, a dead character (good or bad) that comes back to life, is usually treated as serious business, but what happens when this is abused? Death loses its impact.
by the time of the Buu Saga on dragon ball I actually stopped caring about wether or not someone got killed, I was like "yhea yhea very tragic blah blah, they will just wish them back with the magic plot coupon" (not those exact words of course xD tvtropes hadn't ruined my life yet)
compare that to the first time I saw Krilin die, now that one was brutal, I stood there, coldblooded, holding back tears, as one of the funniest characters had just been killed, in a completely unexpected way............
by the time of Krilin's 5th death I was like, "meh, whatever, he's just gonna come back"
I'd hate it if we get to that point in wow, where i no longer care about killing the bad guys, simply because they will return.
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306612
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Post by
Adamsm
What in da *!@#.....(NSFW)
Post by
Behelich
What in da *!@#.....(NSFW)
Did Lil' K.T. and D-Wing have a kid?
Post by
Sparkbolt
uhhhhhhhhhh...... okay.
Post by
Atik
I am extremely confused....
Post by
Rankkor
what in the name of christ is that thing suposed to be?
Post by
Atik
It appears to be a nage bordering rule 34, but I'm wondering about the KT in front of her....
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229054
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Post by
Rankkor
Do you know how many Scourge are?
a finite amount since their forces are specifically those slain in the third war.
Do you even know how many Horde/Alliance/Crusader/Ebon Blade soldiers there are?
considering that the largest population on azeroth is the humans and they dont even have 2 million people, I'd say not THAT much as to warrant a jailer.
Post by
Monday
a finite amount since their forces are specifically those slain in the third war.
Uh, since people were being raised into undead left and right during the Scourge war, I think it's safe to say that new Scourge are constantly being made.
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306612
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Post by
Adamsm
a finite amount since their forces are specifically those slain in the third war.
Uh, since people were being raised into undead left and right during the Scourge war, I think it's safe to say that new Scourge are constantly being made.
Plus, Scourge aren't limited to recent deaths so anyone who ever died in the first and second is also a possible victim.
Except for the location of them of course: First War was in Southern Eastern Kingdoms, and other then a small portion of Duskwood, there was never a strong presence of the Scourge there. And 2nd War was up and down the length of the Kingdoms, with strong forces in most of the new locations: Forsaken around Lordaeron, Blood Elves in the north, and the Dwarven forces all over the place to keep the Scourge out. So while they are 'possible' locations for rezzing, the Scourge had to get necromancers there and do it without notice...which after the Third War, was a lot harder.
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229054
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Post by
Adamsm
In short: we don't know anything the numbers of the Scourge, their enemies aside from the fact the Scourge has always been monumentously larger than anything else on Azeroth, even before the Vrykul joined them.If that was true, then if Illidan had succeeded with the plan to destroy Northrend, we'd all be dead, as the Scourge of the Third War would have obviously destroyed the world.
Post by
Behelich
In short: we don't know anything the numbers of the Scourge, their enemies aside from the fact the Scourge has always been monumentously larger than anything else on Azeroth, even before the Vrykul joined them.If that was true, then if Illidan had succeeded with the plan to destroy Northrend, we'd all be dead, as the Scourge of the Third War would have obviously destroyed the world.
You do remember that ever since Ner'Zhul pulled Frostmourne out of the Throne his power was constantly fading away?
Also, all his necromantic prowess aside, Ner'Zhul was a horrible tactician and strategist. Spider Wars, anyone?
Post by
Adamsm
In short: we don't know anything the numbers of the Scourge, their enemies aside from the fact the Scourge has always been monumentously larger than anything else on Azeroth, even before the Vrykul joined them.If that was true, then if Illidan had succeeded with the plan to destroy Northrend, we'd all be dead, as the Scourge of the Third War would have obviously destroyed the world.
You do remember that ever since Ner'Zhul pulled Frostmourne out of the Throne his power was constantly fading away?
Also, all his necromantic prowess aside, Ner'Zhul was a horrible tactician and strategist. Spider Wars, anyone?
Which proves that the 'There must always be a Lich King' is a massive ass pull, horrible writing, and a plot hole large enough to fly Deathwing through; whether or not Ner'zhul's power were fading or not, shouldn't have mattered to the forces of the Scourge as he kept nearly all of them in constant contact/control through telepathy/the necromancy holding them up/together: Losing him would have left all of those Scourge without that voice so they would have gone nuts too and destroyed the world......at least, from what Blilzzard are saying after the ass pull.
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229054
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Post by
Adamsm
Still a massive plot hole ass pull, to keep something in reserve if they ever need to pull the Scourge back out as an enemy; it really shouldn't matter which of the Lich King's it was, as the 'There must always be a King' would hold for either one.
It's still the fact that a fresh wave of Scourge were going to come out of nowhere and destroy that world that really makes it such a massive thing of bad writing; would be different if they actually had a build up, or if we saw in ICC areas where the new armies of the Scourge were being raised up...but we don't: We get one comment from Deathbringer Saurfang that the apparently the armies we brought with us are 'falling' and being raised up as new Scourge.....yet, we don't see that anywhere.
I'm sorry Delt, but this is some of the worse writing the Blizzard writers have come up with, and was a really unneeded addition to the Lore: If they wanted to make it so that Bolvar wasn't dead, then they could have allowed him to actually survive and come back to the rest of the world, and work with Tirion to end the faction wars as Varian would have been more then willing to listen to the man who had protected Anduin.
Edit: Also, stop with the number comments: You don't have any proof either that the Scourge weren't depleted by the Northrend conflicts, since the Shattering actually shows that as well, since Saurfang is remaining in Northrend to see the mop up of the Scourge forces.
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