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Adamsm
Except there is a way around that as well: Burn the bodies, and they can't be raised back up.
Edit: And you kill and destroy the commanders of the Scourge forces in those zones; without them, you are left with the mindless who are far easier to destroy. And the Plagueland scourge were destroyed over the years; all that's left is the mop up in Cata.
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Behelich
Most of the San'Layn count as (arguably) competent commanders, and we know at least two princes we did not kill. And I doubt there are only those handful of Vrykul clans we've seen.
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Adamsm
3 - Who said that there's no leadership at those theoretical 'on going conflicts throught all of Northrend and all of Icecrown'? The dead leaders could have been replaced or even re-risen.
Zul'Drak, you take the head of the troll in command; you also destroy the Scourge items there.
Dragonblight, you destroy the soul jar of the LIch, and deal with the leaders.
Basin, you destroy the bodies of the leaders of the invasion.
Tundra, the San'layn is gone and reappears in the Citadel; but you do kill the rest of the leaders.
Hills, you destroy Argual's body at the end.
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Adamsm
And there are only 5 Val'kyr left; so one more death of Sylvanas and two kills and the Val'kyr are gone from Azeroth.
We know what happened when we quested in those areas.
We don't know what happened after the questing.
That's my whole point.
........So your point is that maybe, a brand new group of Scourge popped up in cleansed areas?
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Adamsm
/shrug Whatever; I still think the whole 'There must always be a Lich King' is still the worst thing Blizzard has ever added into the game, just because it wasn't needed; we had destroyed the Scourge up to that point, and having it suddenly be that they are going to wipe out all of the living, when the largest group had an ocean between them and the rest of the world, just seemed to be a way to set up Bolvar as the Lich King 2.0 when they needed a boss.
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Behelich
Or give us an ally against the Burning Legion. Must you be so negative, Adams?
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Adamsm
Yes; because having the Scourge as an ally against the very thing which created it seems like an even worse idea: Mal did tell us if we wanted to destroy the Lich King we would have needed his help....and if it wasn't a lie, then that could mean that the higher up of the Legion forces have the ability to unravel the spells holding them together and could just make the Scourge fall apart without any effort.....since you know, the Dreadlords created Necromancy.
Edit: Also, it's hard enough to get the Factions to fight together: Having us suddenly all buddy buddy with the Scourge? That would be an even worse stretch.
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Adamsm
Still doesn't answer the question of where the world destroying mass of undead was going to come from.
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Still doesn't answer the question of where the world destroying mass of undead was going to come from.
From the on-going War of the Northrend, that would be ocurring across the entirety of the continent as opposed to just ICC and the Plaguelands.
And if it was really that massive, then everything we did was useless; also, I doubt there was enough in the Plaguelands to threaten all of Eastern Kingdoms....since once more time, those Scourge would be walking into the teeth of the Forsaken armies to the west, the Blood Elves forces in the North and the Alliance forces of the South.
Edit: And of course, the fact that Scourge would have to go through specific portions of Northrend to reach the sea to head south to attack Kalimdor and EK; if they tried to go through the Basin the Pillars would be blasting them apart, and they'd be running to the armies of the factions in the other areas.
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Still, unless the army of the Scourge is suddenly millions strong, how are they going to wipe out all life on Azeroth? Fine, the Lich King dies, and the Scourge goes mindless and starts rampaging across Northrend; we still have armies up there who could have destroyed them, which was happening all through the expansion anyways. And mindless Scourge of the Plaguelands would be running into the forces there as well.
And of course, that's leaving out the power of the Ashbringer: One swing and thousands of Scourge die to the blade. So long as Tirion survives the fall of the King(which he did), I don't see how the mindless are that dangerous....provide they don't fall apart like the Zerg did when you took out the Overmind and start fighting among themselves as well.
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It was still a dumb way to end the expansion; they should have just let the Scourge die out, with a few of the stronger/smarter Scourge possibly still running around and causing problems, like the few areas where the Legion is still strong.
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Rankkor
I still want to know where the 'host of Scourge that will wipe out all life on Azeroth' was suppose to come from; even with the new recruits in ICC, we still wiped out a majority of the Scourge forces.
How do you know?
Warcraft games, RTS or not, are unfaithful representations of the story. That is clear on the contingents of supposed 'armies' and also clear on the fact that there are still plenty of Scourge and Vrykul left in Northrend. Another infamous example is Comic VS Books VS Knaak Books VS In-game representations of lore figures' personal power.
because unlike the nameless horrors of the old gods (who could be numbered into the millions) or the vast hosts of the legion (Who may as well be numbered into billions) ALL the units of the scourge, are slain mortal creatures, and there aren't THAT many slayed mortals in azeroth.
Their troops have a finite number, and by executing the necromancers and liches, sooner or later they HAVE to run out.
This is why the "there must always be a lich king" crap makes absolutely no sense.
Azeroth did fine without a lich king before, it can do fine without one after too.
Edit: besides, unlike other massive armies, undead can't breed, this is the main problem of the forsaken, you have to slay enemies in order to gain new troops, just as the forsaken numbers have whitered over the years, so can the scourge numbers because, as stated they are a FINITE force, not an infinite, there is no reason for them to need a jailer.
I could see the faceless ones needing a sort of jailer, since they could be infinite, but not the frikking scourge, just kill them and be done with it.
Its not like say..... the Thieves' Guild Quest on Oblivion, where at the end they say "There must always be a Gray Fox" as there are actual compelling reasons for that, but here, its just something they added OUT OF NOWHERE to be able to recycle the villain later.
I dont like that, at all. I cringed when they said that sh1t about bringing Illidan Back. Sooner or later, we have to ask ourselves: Why the hell are we even bothering killing the villains if they are just gonna come back? Resurrection should be a RARE thing, when its abused as a narrative element (like on Dragon Ball) it becomes cheap, crappy, and a horrible narrative for ANY story arc.
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