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Monday
Aye, but the chance of random Azerothian magi coming up with the same spell out of the blue is low to zero; being taught it by a Scourge or Dreadlord would make more sense, and being a part of one of the groups.
I'm not saying it's common, I'm just saying it's possible.
It's also possible to be taught by a rogue Scourge.
Post by
Adamsm
It's also possible to be taught by a rogue Scourge.A rogue scourge after the fall of the King of course. Though, that one forsaken pre-Cata was called a 'Lich' even though he still had a human body.
Post by
Atik
It's also possible to be taught by a rogue Scourge.A rogue scourge after the fall of the King of course.
That is all I needed. Ty
*Goes to formulate RP plans*
Post by
Adamsm
It's also possible to be taught by a rogue Scourge.A rogue scourge after the fall of the King of course.
That is all I needed. Ty
*Goes to formulate RP plans*
If you are talking for Aftermath though...wouldn't have happened. Any and all Scourge magic is closely watched to make sure they don't escape from Northrend, where it's just a few Dreadlords holding the reins of the faction and the Ashen Verdict is the main group keeping them there.
Post by
Atik
It's also possible to be taught by a rogue Scourge.A rogue scourge after the fall of the King of course.
That is all I needed. Ty
*Goes to formulate RP plans*
If you are talking for Aftermath though...wouldn't have happened. Any and all Scourge magic is closely watched to make sure they don't escape from Northrend, where it's just a few Dreadlords holding the reins of the faction and the Ashen Verdict is the main group keeping them there.
Through research, say, into reversing undeath though; what are the chances of discovering the spell?
I know in old school D&D, Liches were able to just sort of happen when a powerful enough magic user didn't except death. Was sort of hoping the same could apply in WoW.
Post by
Adamsm
Through research, say, into reversing undeath though; what are the chances of discovering the spell?
I know in old school D&D, Liches were able to just sort of happen when a powerful enough magic user didn't except death. Was sort of hoping the same could apply in WoW.
Low in the timeline of Aftermath; the Forsaken don't research into it, due to Blightcaller not wanting to create more of his kind, and again, the Scourge are bottled up away from the rest of the world.
But for other RP's, something like that could occur.
Post by
Atik
Through research, say, into reversing undeath though; what are the chances of discovering the spell?
I know in old school D&D, Liches were able to just sort of happen when a powerful enough magic user didn't except death. Was sort of hoping the same could apply in WoW.
Low in the timeline of Aftermath; the Forsaken don't research into it, due to Blightcaller not wanting to create more of his kind, and again, the Scourge are bottled up away from the rest of the world.
But for other RP's, something like that could occur.
So Phillip would be way out of bounds by actively researching for spells such as raising Liches and other "out-there" undead?
Post by
Adamsm
Fraid so; that's the kind of magic that will get him killed if it's found out.
Post by
Skreeran
Although I could see Phillip knowing more about necromancy than the average Forsaken, since he's been researching it for so long. Since he's a loner type, he probably wouldn't be right under the Forsaken's thumb. Even if he doesn't know how exactly to become/make a Lich, it would make sense that he has an idea at least.
Post by
Atik
Hmmm... I'll have to think on this one.
I've got his pre-cata timeline written up, since the Aftermath timeline can't interfere with that.
But for his aftermath history, I have two version I'm trying to decide between.
One throws my current idea out, as you said. Basically, he would be a selfless researcher; attempting to reverse undeath purely for his people. This would mean that he grew tired of war during his time in Northrened and works moreso for peace.
The other, he is far more cruel and selfish; working on "test subjects" in his basement away from the eyes of the Forsaken. This version of him would have steemed from Alex's (the main timeline version of my Darkness char) belief that peace is impossible and war is a fact.
Now I'm not sure which to go through with... anyone got a coin?
Post by
Adamsm
Depends on which one you would rather have him be, but I'm just saying, it's a little harder to find out the information in the main Aftermath timeline, since the crack down from the Blightcaller and the Verdict.
Post by
Atik
I'll see how it all plays out for now. Like Skreen said, even if I go the nice guy rought, he could have learned about some of the higher necromancy tricks before the lockdown, or he could simply have stumbeled upon it during his research.
Post by
Skreeran
I'll see how it all plays out for now. Like Skreen said, even if I go the nice guy rought, he could have learned about some of the higher necromancy tricks before the lockdown, or he could simply have stumbeled upon it during his research.Well, I mean, even if it's forbidden, that doesn't mean it's not out there. Meryl apparently learned enough to zombify himself in the Troll Wars, and Kel'thuzad and Helcular both had access to texts on the subject. It may be hard to get, but it's not completely controlled. I imagine that with all these Death Knights running around, it's actually easier to learn about now than it has been in a long time.
Post by
Adamsm
And any other discussion of this should probably be moved to the Aftermath Q&A.
Post by
Atik
And any other discussion of this should probably be moved to the Aftermath Q&A.
Agreed, didn't expect it would go on this long.
Post by
Adamsm
O_O
Post by
Atik
O_O
Holy-
I thought that was a person when I opened it!
Post by
Rankkor
about the liches. I vagely recall an old vanilla quest in tirisfal glades in wich a forsaken archmage in the undercity asks us to help him recruit a friend of his that became a lich but was NOT aligned with the scourge.
Much like keltuzad studied necromancy before he was recruited by the scourge (Albeit in secret) this guy had been secretly studying necromancy too, and when the scourge razed lordaeron he died and raised himself as a lich, considering he stored his soul in a pylactery before his death.
BTW; wich do you think would be the phylactery of the lich king? Frostmourne? or the Helm of Damnation?
Post by
Skreeran
Frostmourne.
In addition, it wasn't really clear if the Lich King was a King who was a Lich, or the King of the Liches. I don't know if he actually fits the traditional WoW concept of a Lich at all.
Post by
Morec0
O_O
Holy-
I thought that was a person when I opened it!
O_O
That... is epic!
And this bit of
artwork
(murel?) is a pretty cool rendition of the far-back WoW lore.
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