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Post by
Adamsm
Illidan was always power hungry and ambitious, Blizzard just finished off his story as it should have been done.
As for Sylvanas.... her purpose in existence was fulfilled, even as far back as Warcraft 3, it was all about killing the Lich King; now that he's dead, and the main focus for the insanity in her mind is gone.... it's not a surprise she's going ape!@#$ and striking out everywhere, using everything in her power to reduce the world to how she is: Dead. If anything, this is proving that the original thought for Sylvanas, that she wants a dead world under her control, was true... and I can't wait till she's finally killable(might even get a Horde to 85 just for that purpose if it's not available for Alliance heh).
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306612
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Post by
Rankkor
humm some food for tought here too......
how do we know all of this is true? we ARE talking about MMOcham here, the same people who said Thrall was gonna be the next guardian of tirisfal.
the same people who said Garrosh would kill cairne for treason.
the same people who said Garrosh would expell all the non-orcs and non-taurens from orgrimmar for being "too weak" (in reality there was a fully diferent reason and only trolls were expelled)
the same people who said that orgrimmar would be destroyed, and then rebuilt by the black metal during the course of the expantion.
the same people who said Malfurion had returned presicely to turn Thrall into the new Guardian.
The same people who said Thrall would be in hyjal to prevent ragnaros from taking over the world.....
the same people who shoots crap first, then dodge the bullets when the crap is proven false, but also glorifies themselves when by a lucky shot actually predict something right and then fancy themselves as the world's number 1 top leakers........
the link provided is just a bunch of hot-air with not a single link to a quest, nor a screenshot, nor anything really.
people are good at talking but when it comes to proving it......... not so good.
so again, we know this is legit.... how exactly?
Post by
Adamsm
so again, we know this is legit.... how exactly?Because it fits in the same vein as Sylvanas using Val'kyr to raise up new Forsaken, the Plague attacks in Gilneas, the apparent plague attacks in Southshore, and all the rest. She would do something like that.... she's proven before she has no problem mind controlling people and turning them against their own(big point of one of the missions in Warcraft 3 after all....).
Post by
Rankkor
so again, we know this is legit.... how exactly?Because it fits in the same vein as Sylvanas using Val'kyr to raise up new Forsaken, the Plague attacks in Gilneas, the apparent plague attacks in Southshore, and all the rest. She would do something like that.... she's proven before she has no problem mind controlling people and turning them against their own(big point of one of the missions in Warcraft 3 after all....).
no, this proves she "could" doit, but doesn't proves she WILL doit.
all the previous spoilers also fit with the personality of garrosh (the orc-superiority complex, the facist streak) and yet just because he could doit, doesn't necesarily means he will doit.
so again, how do we know this is legit?
sylvannas is a lot of things, but stupid aint one of them, is not in her best interest to atack koltira, an ebon blade emisary, she understands diplomacy and the need of allies, without the horde to back her up, her days are numbered, and with the ebon blade as her enemy (the same organization capable of doing what she coudn't, kill the lich king) it REALLY isn't in her best interest to mess with them.
untill proven otherwise, Im calling that post from MMOchamp bullsh1t.
it's also more logic to suspect the veracity of this info when it comes PRESICELY out of MMOchamp out of all places, remember adamsm that they are a site with a history of bullsh1t before, lots and lots of bull------
I've listed all of their former bull, I have no reason to believe in them by blind faith, either they show some hard evidence, or else all their words will fall on deaf ears.
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229054
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Post by
Adamsm
As such he is unnatourized to struck secret bargains with his enemies and Sylvanas probably meant to correct that fact. How she will do that is still a question but its unlikely that torturing/whatever Koltira will rouse the order into attacking the Forsaken anymore than the dozens or even hundreds of others who got caught in the Broken Front or in the skirmishes of Grizzly Hills and so on.Except Koltira is a Blood Elf, not a Forsaken; if she tortures him, she could cause problems between the Forsaken and the Blood Elves, as well as peeving off the other Horde races. If anyone would have the official capacity to browbeat him/deal with him, that would be our do nothing Blood elf leader heh.
Post by
Rankkor
still, this is like when taurenmoo assumes that garrosh will become a fel orc even with no hard proof of it.
assuming stuff about sylvannas with no real proof is the same deal.
that entire quest-chain (including koltira's deals) could be pure fabrication.
Again, I could show some blind faith and believe without proof, or images, if the info came from a serious site like wowwiki, but no, it comes from a site that has become notorius for their premium line of bull-crap.
just take a look at their talk about Thrall being guardian, of Malfurion being the one who empowers him, that the "important mission" on wich thrall leaves was to save hyjal, that garrosh executed cairne, that garrosh expelled all races from the center of orgrimmar exept orcs and taurens for "not being strong enough"
after reading that line of bull-crap is hard for me to take them seriously on blind faith alone. They HAVE to back up their talk with hard facts like screenshots of the quests, or links, or something more solid than just "take my word for it"
they proved their word can't be trusted in the past, I see no reason to trust their word now.
again I'm not saying it's imposible for her to do this, but I am saying that untill this is confirmed, this can and should be treated as all the other crap that has come out of MMOchamp's mouth.
just like their Thrall-guardian crap, their Rhonin-aspect-of-life crap, and the long excetera that comes with it.
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229054
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Post by
Rankkor
point remains though, the so-called "spoiler" is nothing more than hot words from a user in the forums who is providing nothing and I mean nothing to back up his claims.
heck I could do the same, make an account in MMOchamp, and then write a review of an epic quest-chain in twillight highlands in wich we learn that Deathwing has been all this time Milhouse Manastorm..........
would that make it any more true than the andorhal spoiler?
I'm just saying, words without images are still just words.
and so far, all of these so-called spoilers are nothing more than words.
no more. no less.
I mean, when Soldrethar posted those "spoilers" about Moira coming with the dark irons to ironforge, and then Varian assassinated her, did adamsm believed him with blind faith? nope, and soldrethar HAD posted true spoilers wich have been confirmed.
and while at the time, that crazy spoiler of moira returning with dark irons to ironforge after magni was turned to stone had no images or oficial confirmation of it being true, what happened? everyone refused to believe it.
of course it was later confirmed to be true, but only then and only then it was believed.
same goes for this, at the moment it's just words, and nothing more than words, and untill some images get slaped into it, I still won't believe them.
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229054
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Post by
GVHB
Rankkorr: here are the proof (
youtube video here
). Also, note that Koltira is a member of the Undercity faction and refer to Sylvanas as "your highness".
Another interesting bit of the video, see the chat log to what the Forsaken troopers say when you resurrect them.
Post by
Behelich
And now I can say that - I goddamn hate you Sylvanas.
I hope that both Alliance and the Horde will have a chance to kill her, oh yes.
Post by
Joemaster240
i love the fact that there's not only physical upheaval in cata, but also political upheaval. It makes it so much more interesting.
Post by
Rankkor
Rankkorr: here are the proof (
youtube video here
). Also, note that Koltira is a member of the Undercity faction and refer to Sylvanas as "your highness".
Another interesting bit of the video, see the chat log to what the Forsaken troopers say when you resurrect them.
see? thank you, now THIS is somethign I will believe, I simply don't like it when someone assumes something and doesn't have the courtesy of backing it up with more than just words......
on the topic.... well, it seems it's cemented now, Sylvannas is a goner, I'll be actually surprised if by the end of the expantion she still leads the forsakens.
Post by
Morec0
Actually, I think Garrosh will back her torturing Koltira. Like she said: his refusal to get involved because of his friendship with Koltira was causing the war to slip away from the Horde. Unless Thrall shows back up or she kills someone that she shouldn't (by which I mean; someone Garrosh dosn't want dead), I think that it's safe to say that she's not going anywhere.
Also, I think that, due to his condition as an undead death knight - Koltira falls more into the catagory of the Forsaken then a blood elf. As it was pointed out in another post, the Forsaken are made up of almost anything undead that broke away from the Lich King (humans, elves, gnomes, ect.).
As for the Ebon Blade, though, there is going to be some tension between the two undead factions now, I think.
Post by
Behelich
Please, please, Acherus attacking Undercity from the air, please.
Post by
GVHB
Well, if Garrosh learns that Sylvanas is using the plague and is also rising more Forsaken with the Val'kyrs I doubt he will be pleased.
Post by
229054
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Post by
Adamsm
Well, if Garrosh learns that Sylvanas is using the plague and is also rising more Forsaken with the Val'kyrs I doubt he will be pleased.
He finds out the Val'kyr thing, when she shows it off to him.
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