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High Elves: Why were they never admitted into WoW ( playable ) ?
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Re-read your lore buddy, you have no frikkin clue who the Blood Elves are. The Blood Elves were once the high elves, however after Arthas ravaged Quel'thalas Kael'thas renamed them Blood Elves. The High Elves who were not supportive of Kael (IE sucking magic out of arcane creatures in order to survive addiction) split off. Kael (and the Blood Elves) left the Alliance after some terrible species-ism by Garithos (an Alliance General) resulted in him and his blood elves getting the death sentence.
So why aren't High Elves a playable race? They would be redundant what with Night Elves on Alliance and Blood Elves (RENAMED High Elves) on Horde. Also, there aren't enough of them. There really isn't any official High Elf government left; the remaining High Elves who serve the alliance betrayed their crowned prince and the greater portion of their people.
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Re-read your lore buddy, you have no frikkin clue who the Blood Elves are. The Blood Elves were once the high elves, however after Arthas ravaged Quel'thalas Kael'thas renamed them Blood Elves. The High Elves who were not supportive of Kael (IE sucking magic out of arcane creatures in order to survive addiction) split off. Kael (and the Blood Elves) left the Alliance after some terrible species-ism by Garithos (an Alliance General) resulted in him and his blood elves getting the death sentence.
So why aren't High Elves a playable race? They would be redundant what with Night Elves on Alliance and Blood Elves (RENAMED High Elves) on Horde. Also, there aren't enough of them. There really isn't any official High Elf government left; the remaining High Elves who serve the alliance betrayed their crowned prince and the greater portion of their people.
what he said ^
and don't forget that the only difference in apperance is the eyes.
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What makes a kingdom a "kingdom"?
-The Land?
-The King?
-The people?
The King was dead, however his successor (Kael'thas) was alive and well. It was KAEL's decision to rename the High Elves to Blood Elves. The land still belongs to the blood elves, and they are making progress in reclaiming their lands (Eversong+Ghostlands=Quel'thalas). The Majority of the people followed Kael up until his betrayal. After that, they followed Lor'themar (who is now the effective ruler of the Blood Elves).
What does this make the High Elves? A traitorous entity. The Alliance turned their back on the Blood Elves, and instead of defending their brethren the remnant of the "High Elves" turned a blind eye to the sins of Garathos and the Kirin'tor and pretended nothing happened. Its not a surprise that there are so few of them left, its their own damned fault for not sticking with their people when times got rough.
I, personally, am surprised Blizz even represented them at all in the form of the Silver Covenant... The High Elves are a done deal; the true High Elf population is now allied with the Horde. The traitors now do what they can to blend in with the Alliance, but it is only a matter of time before they die off and are forgotten by everyone but time itself.
Ok, so maybe not... In patch 3.2.2 a new quest is introduced in which a Highborne Archmage travels to Darnassus to speak with Tyrande. Bit of dialogue back and forth... Its a precursor to Cataclysm, where the High Elves are accepted back within the Darnassian ranks (IE Night Elf Magi).
So yeah, triple redundancy.
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As someone who started playing Warcraft games way back with the original release of Warcraft 2, I have a special fondness the 'old Alliance*' and I would like to see the High Elves have a minor resurgence. I like the lore of a people who held to their ideals even when it meant turning their back on the majority of their people and homeland. It's just one more example of how nearly every race or faction in Warcraft lore has grey morality. I also like the Blood Elves, as an example of near-fanatical nationalism and how it almost always seems to lead to corruption and hatred.
That said, I think making High Elves a playable race in WoW is a dumb idea; as Fingulfin said, it's triple redundancy. I think it's cooler now with them being something special since you don't see crowds of them running around everywhere. I like things like the Silver Covenant giving them more prominence in the lore again, and if/when they make a Warcraft 4 I would hope the Alliance still has a high elf unit or two (maybe just a hero?), but that's about where it should stay.
*An irony since my main WoW character is Horde-side
By the way if the Blood Elves no longer have a fel addiction then they are truly once again High Elves if you ignore the Blood part.
PS. What an odd statement. If we're to ignore the cultural and national differences (as you're suggesting), then I could just as easily say that High Elves are no more different from Highborne Night Elves than black Human characters are from white Human characters.
Edited to add: I like how you're comparing numbers for an
entire race
to the population of two major cities. Because that's not a little misleading. Granted, they may very well still outnumber the Darkspear Tribe and/or the Tauren, but the point remains that those are poor statistics for comparison. Besides, who really cares about quoted population numbers? They're from the pen-and-paper RPG, which has significant continuity breaks each time it reinvents itself to align with the latest PC game.
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Whose definition of unbiased? Yours?
Because High Elves should remain something rare & special, and allowing them as a player race would ruin that. They won't have different appearances or voices, so it's a moot point. They're too much like Blood Elves. Plus, their architecture is always shown in game as either wholly Night Elf style, or the same as Blood Elves (depending on where you look) save some recoloring. What mounts would they have? Don't say unicorns, that's already an obtainable mount in game.
I'm not saying it'll never happen, because who knows with Blizzard. Did anyone seriously think Goblins would ever be a Horde race prior to leaks about Cataclysm? I'm just saying that as things currently stand, it's an awfully big stretch, and a lot would have to change before it seemed like a good idea. Best bet for it to happen would be if Blizzard decided to pull an off-expansion addition of somewhat redundant races by giving the Horde either: a second-but-different Troll tribe (such as Revantusk Forest Trolls), or an offshoot of one of the current Alliance races, like maybe a pack of Eredar (demonic Draenei, if you don't remember) who seek redemption or something.
PS. I'd like to reiterate a couple things: You keep saying how there's more High Elves than Horde, but your comparing the population of a people spread across two whole (albeit small) worlds to the population of two capital cities. Of course there's going to be a disparity. Secondly, you seem to be under a misunderstanding about the situation re: Blood vs High. The Blood Elves aren't the offshoot; they're the majority. The High Elves are effectively the offshoot by refusing to go along with it, much the same as the Highborne are viewed as a splinter group from the Night Elves. Third, You suggested the High Elves could build their own city, but where? Lastly, why wouldn't High Elves and Blood Elves be able to communicate with eachother. They currently speak the same language, and remember that Blizzard specifically made up Gutterspeak for the Forsaken so that no Horde & Alliance races could speak across faction lines. Face it, there's considerable hurdles that would need to be overcome to make it feasible. You ask why not, but you already have your answer.
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It might have something to do with the fact that there are almost no High Elves left in existence. 90% of the survivors of the Scourge invasion became Blood Elves.
Theres 25,000
High Elves
across Azeroth currently according to Wowwiki.
PS - Could all the Blood Elf fan boys stop posting, its kinda a lore thing.
The reason it's doubtful they'll ever get inducted into the Alliance from a lore perspective is they don't really have much incentive.
But from a gameplay perspective, it's worthless. They have different eye color and slightly paler skin than blood elves. It would be pointless to have duplicate races on either faction. Give it a rest. They're not going to be implemented, it just doesn't make sense.
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