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Post by
Adamsm
Dark, you realize after the Draenor war about 80% of the Draenei race were wiped out again right? So I severly doubt there were hunting parties when the Orc's still outnumbered them about 100 to 1. Where ever that info came from, it's a lie, big time. The Old Horde kept hunting the Draenei survivors while they waited for the Portal to open, not the other way around. Espically as after Beyond the Dark Portal when the Draenei went even farther into hiding.
Post by
Skreeran
I see nothing on the Orc page about Draenei hunting parties.
As far as interracial relations go, the draenei still distrust or in
some cases
hate the orcs after having lost so many of their kind when the orcs turned on them. Certain characteristics of modern orcs, such as their still-green skin and the fact that some still practice warlock magic (though their new allies, the humans and the gnomes, are also guilty of this), as well as personal grudges on both sides, make the road to forgiveness difficult, regardless of whatever peace initiatives Velen or Thrall are willing to launch.
Nevertheless
there are still cases of acceptance between the two; for instance, the Horde aligned Earthen Ring has accepted draenei and Broken shamans to heal Outland.
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Post by
Dralas
Draenei hunting orcs? I've only been skimming, but I even caught that. Seriously?
Post by
Skreeran
As a matter of fact, I just ran a google search for the phrase "draenei hunting" on Wowwiki and only four pages came up, all relating to the orcs attacking a draenei hunting party, not the other way around.
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Dralas
"An eye for an eye and the world goes blind."
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Post by
Dralas
Dark, I'd love to see where your getting this info, or what your basing it on. I can't see where your thinking the draenei made hunting parties to get orcs considering the fact that even if they had somehow came back from near extinction, they had let go of the past pretty well at this point.
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Post by
Skreeran
If he was born after the end of the first war, then he is very well a adult in dreanei years, but looks like a child in human years.Other way around, mate. Draenei mature slowly, not quickly.
You guys had your chance
Im
DONE
with your Horde.... May this, death god, take you all....
It could have been the RoC manuel, have not read either in years... and i cant read them again because i lost them both :(
Why talk to Thrall at the expense of his life again? Haven't we risked enough to try living in peace with the horde? Not even one more essessamary needs to be spent to see the truthIt won't be a threat to him if A'dal, Alexstrasza, Rhonin or Tirion and a legion of crusaders are right there. Especially if Garrosh doesn't come (which Varian could certainly respectively request).
Ok, Justin is insane, but Krom ( "The Horde's Garithos" -You) is twice as wrose, and I thought Broken Frount is interesting. It shows how bad orc commanders can give a negitive influence.I agree. I hate Korm, and I hate Justin. Neither one is right. The entirety of all five races of the Horde should not have to die for the actions of one General. If it were five Korms genocide is still not right.
Humans hate Forsaken because Forsaken hate them back, and the Humans attack Forsaken because Forsaken attack them back. What did Southshore, Amberstill, or Pryewood ever do to you?I'm not saying the Forsaken are right, I'm just saying they didn't just wake up and decide to kill all humans all of a sudden. As far as they believe, it's them or the humans in the region, it can't be both. Mainly because the Scarlet Crusade has it out for them.
Varian is making a lot more harder decisions then Thrall. Thrall has a Alliance friend supporting him, while Varian has only seen slaughter in the horde he works with. he needed to decided what is best for his people RIGHT when he got back. Thrall ftw, but Varian ftw too.Varian has to make many hard decisions, but he certainly does not seem to care very much about what's may happen. He jumps headlong into a war that he might not even win, and if he does, will cost innumerable lives. He's tried to meet with Thrall on two occasions and apparently has given up on it. Thrall tries to reduce the casualties of both his people and the humans, Varian will only see his side.
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Dralas
I notice how dark there says "we" instead of Varian, perhaps personal opinion is clouding your mind?
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Skreeran
Skreeran, you ask Varian for to much, We tried peace, and somthing happens that goes wrong. Varian declared war, and thats the end of it.
And what ever do you mean about the war costing lives? I was astonished reading about the human women, and that was simply one of dozens. This way, we can make the fight between fighters, and not innocents.Likewise the Scarlet Crusade tortures the Forsaken.
And war never leaves innocents unharmed. If the Horde wins the war, Alliance innocents will likely die, and Thrall will be filled with deep regret.
If the Alliance wins, Horde innocents will certainly die, and Varian will cheer for the victory.
That's the difference I see there.
Post by
Adamsm
One last thing about the Draenei though: You realize, they went into hiding when Beyond the Dark Portal occured, except for Akama's group, which are Broken, not pure Draenei, and yes, they continued to attack the Horde, but that was the group lead by the Pitlords. After Illidan took over, and attacked Tempest keep, most of the Outland Draenei escaped to Azeroth on board the Exodar.
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