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Lady Proudmoore - Delusional or intuitive?
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Will post in a moment... Don't quit on me again...
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"The Horde was mages to, not just Jaina"
I did not see any mages.
http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=19006
http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=18971
And most importantly:
Herald of War
. Did Jaina make that portal?
"Horde ownz da patetic ally leaders n00b"
Nope, Jaina Varian vs Thrall Sylvanas is about even.Varian<Thrall, Sylvanas and Saurfang. Varian and Jaina<Thrall Sylvanas and Saurfang. Thrall is at least as good a physical fighter as Varian, and he also has shamanism. Sylvanas can mind control and has deadly marksmanship in addition to being harder to kill than a ^&*!roach (she's an animated corpse). Saurfang is just... Saurfang. He led the Might of Kalimdor, he soloed Vardus the Flayer. In total seriousness, I think he could take Varian alone. Toss in Thrall and Sylvanas and you've got dead, or at least defeated, Alliance.
"Lordaeron cant be reclaimed because 90% are Forsaken"
The blood elfs lost 91% of thier race, and yet that has not stopped them from making the impact they did. And im sure this is not going to have Varian call off the campains against the Forsaken.
I also want a source saying exactly who much of the population perished. You guys sound like you are making up numbers in your head.What is your point? Lordaeron was already reclaimed. By the Forsaken. The Legion and Scourge had it, and the Forsaken took it back, cleaned it up, finished the Undercity, and are still there. Considering it was their land in the first place, I think they're entitled to it, especially after how much they've done to get it back from the Scourge/Legion forces.
"Horde would have won even if Jaina helped"
War is not about numbers, its about skill and stratgict plans; had Rexxar and Rokuan not returned, many things that happend would not have became. Cairne would have commeted suicide because finding Baine and coming back is not somthing a few grunts can do. The Ogres will not listen to anyone who does not have thier blood, and the trolls capital was already evacuated. Thrall would have never known what happend to them, and Daelin's attacks would have ended any chance.
Again, Im not saying Daelin was right, Im saying Theramore is not a bug compared to the Horde.Let's get this straight. Cairne would not have committed suicide. It's just not something the Tauren, Trolls or Orcs do. It's one of the worst dishonors one can commit in their cultures.
What makes you think Daelin could have done anything against Orgrimmar? The best he could do is pummel the coast of Durotar, but he could never mount a suitable land offense to take the city, even if Jaina helped.
Second, you still haven't said any reason Jaina would have to kill Rexxar and Rokhan? That's just silly. Two innocent diplomats sent to figure out wtf was going on... she wouldn't kill them?
Besides, I thought you said Daelin was wrong? You say Jaina was wrong in refusing to help him, but then you suggest killing two Horde members who meant her no harm for no other reason than to give her father an advantage in his genocidal campaign? That's ridiculous.
And yes, the orcs had over 2000 armed and ready warriors at Durnholde. That was before they freed the last camps. Nethergarde was nearly overwhelmed by a few hundred. Durnholde, the mighty fortress of Blackmoore was utterly destroyed by it.
With a word, Thrall could have the sea rise up and take the city. Or he could ask for an earthquake to shake it to pieces. Like he did to Durnholde. Even without that, there's more than enough orcs in Orgrimmar to go wipe out Theramore.
*Still denys Varian not bein kiddnapped by the Horde*
Well, first off, they likley overpowered him with dragon spawn and naga, not just simple cut throats. Yeah we had one orc under slavery, but that was during war; the last thing you want to do to a leader being diplomatic is enslave them...Likely doesn't amount to If they did it once, they could do it again, especially while he's all amnesiac and unarmed/unarmored.
But that's besides the point. It wasn't just Thrall who was a gladiator. Rehgar was too.
http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/wowissue0_pg3.jpg
Didn't seem to be any big secret or anything either.
"Alliance is attacking Horde to, you guys are not saints"
The difference is that they returned fire. Jaina justs sits back and prays the attacks will go away.You're right, the Horde returned fire when the Alliance attacked their new home.
Jaina didn't just sit back either, she helped make sure justice prevailed by aiding Rexxar, Rokhan and Thrall.
Despite the looks, I think more Lordaeronians survived then we know... I guess only a small few felt loyal know to stay. Most had evacuated for assassistance from Stormwind.A small few? Have you seen the Scourge's numbers? How about how many people you kill as Arthas in Warcraft 3? Oh, the ones that left left at the last minute. That's why you're killing villages and settlements even
after
Arthas killed his father and the rest of Capital City.
And Thrall says at the end he owes Rexxar for the whole thing.Yup, Rexxar was a big help. But even if he was killed, it wouldn't exactly have crippled the Horde. And again, I ask you, what reason would Jaina have to kill him?
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Wowwiki says that after Arthas killed Terenas, he ran away for days, and then Lordaeron's people became sccatered... in other words, possible evacuation.That goes against what they said in RotLK, with Arthas and his men starting the slaughter of Lordaeron right after Terenas was murdered. His mother and sister died soon after the King, not even able to escape out the escape tunnels.
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For the first portal, no, but for the others, likley. There was not a single person in Undercity who could have been it, and Orgrimmar had no way of knowing the fights out come.
Who ever said there had to be a mage at the destination for a portal to work? It was clearly the same mages who opened the portal to Orgrimmar for us the first time. He didn't need to know the fight's outcome. I really doubt he was waiting for the fight to be over. He just had a portal made as soon as he was ready.
Jaina was GONE when the portal opened.
First of all, Saurfang will not be part of this fight. Second, Thrall and Varian's blademastering skill is about equal, but Thrall needs time to cast shaman spells, and during that time he leaves his upper body wide open for a attack, as noted from his fight with Garrosh. And Jaina is the powerfullest human scorceress alive.He never seemed to need time to cast in the lore. In his fight with Garrosh, he just chucks a lightning bolt at Garrosh out of nowhere. He needs time to call big things, but the normal stuff he can pretty much do instantaneously. Thrall could definitely and qithout question beat Varian. Sylvanas would certainly give Jaina a challenge. Saurfang fighting means the Alliance loses.
Besides, who says Jaina has to fight Thrall? She's the leader of her own city-state. She doesn't have to do what Varian says. She understands that killing Thrall there wouldn't solve anything. Not to mention the fact that Thrall was her friend and ally. She wasn't going to fight him. So instead of letting Varian fight him all by his lonesome, she saved his life and teleported him out.
The Forsaken did not reclaim Undercity, it was abandoned... actually, we helped reclaim it twice, and yet the Horde still gets it, even though one of those times the Alliance was promised Undercity. This. Means. War.It was not abandoned. They had to fight three Dreadlords to get it back. And without the Forsaken, Garithos and his lackies would still be mind-slaves to Detheroc.
I still stand by Daelin being wrong, but if Jaina helped, things would be different. I think Theramore is just as strong as Orgrimmar, just not in-game because that would be unfair for the Alliance to get a extra city. Thrall's spell could has been "inturupted" before he finished, you dont just take out somthing that big at will. And the spirits would not find justice in it.Theramore is definitely not as strong as Orgrimmar. There weren't all that many people that came with Jaina. And even then, Orgrimmar is just a bigger, fuller city.
And that's still not even touching on what reasons Jaina would have to fight them, besides her father saying so.
Not to mention that you can't "inturrupt" a shaman. It's not them doing anything. It's them asking help from the spirits. As for the spirits finding it unjust, I doubt it. If everyone in Theramore was attacking them unprovoked, justice would be the people of Theramore being defeated. The spirits would happily help with that.
Reghal fought on his own valition, earning all the money he gets, the Alliance did not force him to fight; he escaped.
Wrong.
Did you read the page I linked?
Valeera: And Rehgar spent those years in the camps?
Broll: Hardly. They tried to subjugate him, but Rehgar was untamable. In the end,
guards sold him as a gladiator to fight for the amusement of the human Lord Agrovane.
By "returned fire", I was not refering to the Durotar invasion, I was refering the the list of in-game quests I gave Delt.I know, I was turning it around on you to illustrate the previously mentioned point: "Alliance is attacking Horde too, you guys are not saints"
And Adamsm, I don't remember Arthas' sister dying, I always thought that she managed to escape, either being the human rescued by Trevor the Forsaken priest or
Calia Hastings
in Theramore.
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And Adamsm, I don't remember Arthas' sister dying, I always thought that she managed to escape, either being the human rescued by Trevor the Forsaken priest or Calia Hastings in Theramore.Eh, I think she was suppose to have died alongside her mother from what they reference in RotLK, I could be wrong of course, but I really thought the entire line was purged all at once.
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And Adamsm, I don't remember Arthas' sister dying, I always thought that she managed to escape, either being the human rescued by Trevor the Forsaken priest or Calia Hastings in Theramore.Eh, I think she was suppose to have died alongside her mother from what they reference in RotLK, I could be wrong of course, but I really thought the entire line was purged all at once.I don't remember that, and I was paying special attention for anything having to do with Calia, as I suspected she was Calia Hastings (she and Jaina were good friends of course). You might be right, but I don't remember that. I'll check it out next chance I get.
I'm off for right now, have to do dishes. Once you post Darkton, I will form a rebuttal as soon as I can.
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Adamsm
Hmm... .this is interesting..... wondering if blizzard will ever
do anything with it.
Could certainly be a twist for Jaina heh.
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Rankkor
sorry for the offtopic, but if only this easter egg was true:
http://www.wowwiki.com/White_Punch_Card
when I saw this sooooo long ago I laughed for like 5 min straight :P
too bad on cataclysm this thing is gonna go away.
seriously Jaina+Thrall=FTW
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