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Glyph of SS vs. Glyph of Disease? For Unholy DK
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135687
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Post by
Zakkhar
SS and Ghoul.
Why would you need on Pale horse in Pve spec?
Glyphing for Death coil yet sparing points for full Modbidity?
You may have noticed there is a
sticky
(not yet updated to 3.2, but whatever changed is logical).
As you can read the build you choose is the one most gear dependant. So if you dont have great gear dont spec like that.
Post by
frmorrison
Stop using SS and use Obliterate as Unholy.
Post by
Zakkhar
Stop using SS and use Obliterate as Unholy.
Stop misinforming people or repeating cliches without understanding them.
Unless you got 18%+ armor penetration from gear dont bother with Obliterate builds.
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Post by
Bllets
Stop using SS and use Obliterate as Unholy.
Stop misinforming people or repeating cliches without understanding them.
Unless you got 18%+ armor penetration from gear dont bother with Obliterate builds.
You get 18% from where?
http://elitistjerks.com/f72/t72364-unholy_dps_out_scourge_strike_obliterate/
The individual hits of Obliterate may be smaller at certain gear points than the individual hits of Scourge Strike, however there are added benefits to Obliterate – almost 20% more Runic Power generation in the case of 0/17/54 (160 RP/20 seconds as opposed to the 135 RP/20 seconds of an Scourge Strike rotation) or a much higher crit rate in the case of 3/13/55 (15% crit for Obliterate from talents as opposed to only 9% crit for Scourge Strike from talents).
It doesn’t matter what Sigil you use, it doesn’t matter how much Armor Penetration you have, it doesn’t matter that you think it doesn’t make sense… Obliterate wins out, unless you are missing a crucial raid buff/debuff such as Sunder Armor (in which case you have other issues you need to work out!). Until something changes, this holds true. Don’t post complaining how Blizzard should immediately fix this oversight or how you’re going to use Scourge Strike despite it being inferior.
Post by
Zakkhar
Unless you got 18%+ armor penetration from gear dont bother with Obliterate builds.
You get 18% from where?
Uhm... can you read your own pastings?
Obliterate wins out, unless you are missing a crucial raid buff/debuff such as Sunder Armor (in which case you have other issues you need to work out!)
5 stacks of Sunder Armor = 20% Armor penetration.
Unless you always run with Warrior tank you will be missing this. Need to get that from gear.
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Post by
Bonurmum
Glyph of disease falls flat to SS considering you could use that blood rune to use blood strike which now provides a buff to increase damage, not including how you pretty much spam SS in the build as is and the proc is consistant.
On a pale horse, though? thats just bad.
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Zakkhar
and another thing why is everyone saying that picking up Improved Unholy presence increases dps? I read the tooltip and it says that it increases movement speed and if ur in unholy pres then runes cd faster. But i thought we were supposed to dps in blood pres? So im at a loss. .\
it increases attack speed also increasing dps along with reducing rune cd.
Only if in Unholy pressence. Its sometimes good for very short burst fights (usually pvp).
@Samhain:
Its not about my e-peen. I am just sick and tired of people who repeat cliches without proper understanding them. It also seems to me if a guy asks about Unholy build he is nowhere near raiding.
Also, i dont understand your math. According to me to get 2000 weapon damage hit you'd have to have BoH and about 5.3k AP. I dont think this is proper assumption towards the guy who gets Pale horse into pve build. Its far more like he can have Edge of Ruin and about 3.5k on entry level. This would give him about 1600 wep damage. But lets leave it like it is.
You seem to have a calculation mistake in Scourge strike:
(2000 * 40% + 317 ) *1.3 = 1452 not as you listed 1212
And therefore the number at the bottom of line is 2551 not 2129.
This gives just 30% armor reduction for SS to get over Obli. Is that going to happen more likely?
Obli build wins with (optional) crit rate and runic generation.
SS wins with 30% Critical power and glyph of SS which saves some GCDs and damage.*
* - I use it in unholy tank build and 90% of the time I apply diseases only once per fight. yes, i know tanking is different to dpsing in some manner, but disease management is the same.
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Zakkhar
Now, If I use Oblit because it gets better dmg than SS, there is no reason for me to pick up Glyph of SS right? So then would I use glyph of disease, because in a fight its better to use 1 unholy rune to refresh diseases on all mobs than 1 frost and 1 unholy on current mob and another 1 unholy for pestilence, if it wasn't glyphed?
If you drop ss and decide to use Oblit you need to glyph it for 20% damage bonus - else it wont work.
If using SS:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#jfVMZZfMhILcdg0ux0uIqo:bLpVMm
I am not sure whether Dark Conviction wouldnt provide more dps than 2 points in Bladed Armor:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#jfcMMZZfMhILcdg0ux0uIqo:bLrVMm
If using Oblit:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#jZG0x0hZfMhILcdg0ux0uIVo:bLpVMm
First of all Glyph of Obli.
Second, you dont need Outbreak if you dont use Scourge Strike.
To get full benefit of Oblit build its necesary for you to reach Chill of the Grave in frost tree.
You need 2 points spend in there i suggest taking Icy reach (filler, put those point whever you want).
I am not quite sure about BCB (blood caked blade), people say its better point per point than Necrosis, but according to mine calculations its not.
With the 2000 weapon damage from Samhain's example, 3/5 Necrosis deals 240 shadow damage per white hit, while BCB has 30% chance to hit for 500*1.375 (as you use 3 diseases) 687.5. This multiplied by 30% (to get overall dps gain) = 206 and according to my info its physical damage, so it gets lowered even more.
Also Corpse Explosion is better, for thrash, while keeping 1 point in BCB is better single target. Pick whichever you prefer. With perma ghoul exploding your pet can make some massive damage:
#showtooltip Corpse Explosion
/cast Corpse Explosion;Corpse Explosion
This will explode your ghoul if its there and cast CE on nearby corpse if its not.
So i guess my proposition would look like this:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#jZGMx0hbZfMhht0dg0ux0uIVo:bLaVMm
Post by
monopoman
I can't believe someone can't grasp the simple concept of a raid spec.
Nearly everyone that raids seriously has a raid spec now if his unholy spec is for solo/leveling/pvp. Then you might have an argument for scourge strike for whatever reason.
Obliterate is better in a raid situation PERIOD! Sure in a 5 man there might not be a warrior to stack sunder armor. But in a 10 man or larger raid there should be at least 1 warrior handling that.
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