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Post by
lonatic
is there a posible way of a shammy doing more healing than a druid on a 10 man?
i know there HoT's are way op compared to a shammys laser or LHW only want to know if its
posible to get my hopes up that one day I can out heal a druid
Post by
GenXCub
With my glyph of Chain Heal, I can beat druids on output. Having my healing stream totem helps if I'm BoW'd.
In reality, the healing is just different. Druid HoT's are worthless without a burst healer to top them off.
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lonatic
i only wanted to know if shammy can heal more on 10 man raid than a druid
i know heals are not the same and such
just wanted to see if chain heal and LHW can beat there HoT's and i dont use heal meter
again only wanted to know if HoT can be beat by my chain and LHW
Post by
ZoraLink
i only wanted to know if shammy can heal more on 10 man raid than a druid
i know heals are not the same and such
just wanted to see if chain heal and LHW can beat there HoT's and i dont use heal meter
again only wanted to know if HoT can be beat by my chain and LHW
Heal meters are junk. Just throwing that out there.
Post by
GenXCub
Sometimes it does, and sometimes it doesn't. The more people in the raid who take damage, the more it skews towards druids being higher on the meters. If fewer people take damage, the strength goes to the shaman.
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GenXCub
i only wanted to know if shammy can heal more on 10 man raid than a druid
i know heals are not the same and such
just wanted to see if chain heal and LHW can beat there HoT's and i dont use heal meter
again only wanted to know if HoT can be beat by my chain and LHW
Heal meters are junk. Just throwing that out there.
I don't think it's completely true, or people wouldn't use them.
I think it's important to not make them the end-all of discussion of who does X better, but if I see 18 DPS in a 25 man raid, and the low DPS one third of the top DPS, there's a problem. If someone is doing half the healing of another, there's a problem.
Post by
66520
Pointing at someone low on a DPS meter and declaring they are low because of their gear/skill is very easy. Every DPS typically shares a DPS target and they all do their own DPS to it until it dies and the meter stops recording.
In a straight-up fight they will typically place according to their class within a range dictated by skill and gear.
Conversely, healers do not always share a healing target and when they do they do communal healing to it. They are also not guarantee a target, unlike DPS. Someone's low place on a healing meter could be because of gear or skill, but also could just as easily be due to latency converting more of their healing to overheal , to over-assignment of healers to a tank, to a lack of raid damage, or to a simple unsuitability of their class to their healing assignment.
Even between two people with exactly the same class and exactly the same healing assignment healing meters are misleading - early in Naxx I would tank heal with another shaman and he was very much mislead into thinking he was a better healer than I because he rode higher on the meters - except that I was actually healing just the tank, while he healed almost nothing but the raid and the druid who was on raid healing hotted the tank because, surprisingly, the raid was staying topped up more than the tank was.
In short, I was lower on the meters simply because I was actually doing the job I was asked to.
DPS meters are useful because they rank people doing the same job against each other.
Healing meters are not useful in the same manner because they rank people doing different jobs or an aggregate job against each other.
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Post by
Punkenjoy
to deterninate who is a good healer in our group and who is not, we do not use the healing meter the same way than you do.
we look what spell was cast on who more than who healed how much. If we put a guy on raid healing and the raid take not that much damage, he will not be able to top the healing meters even if he is good and use the right spell.
Points to see if a healer is good:
1) assigned target are alive at the end of the fight, or if it died, it was not because he didn't receive heals.
2) he dont die stupidly
3) he is able to use non healing spell when needed (cyclone, hex, right totem, Mind control, shackle etc...)
Right now we have a problem with one of our healer. He top the healing meters but he fail at the 3 points. (not that much on point 2, but still too much for a guy that pretend to be the best healer of the guild...)
Healing is a cooperation, not a competition. if you want to compete again other guildies, reroll DPS...
Post by
ZoraLink
i only wanted to know if shammy can heal more on 10 man raid than a druid
i know heals are not the same and such
just wanted to see if chain heal and LHW can beat there HoT's and i dont use heal meter
again only wanted to know if HoT can be beat by my chain and LHW
Heal meters are junk. Just throwing that out there.
I don't think it's completely true, or people wouldn't use them.
I think it's important to not make them the end-all of discussion of who does X better, but if I see 18 DPS in a 25 man raid, and the low DPS one third of the top DPS, there's a problem. If someone is doing half the healing of another, there's a problem.
GenX, I play a discipline priest. My shields and Divine Aegis never show up on healing meters, and they make up a good half of my healing. That silly paladin beats me in healing, yet he overheals like crazy and never helps out on raid healing, instead spamming the tank with heals when he needs it. The druid is just merrily hotting the raid, and the shaman is firing his laza all over. 99% of the time, what Ghost said is accurate. I bear a particular hatred towards healing meters and only use them to see what I cast. Particuarly when raid leaders go "wtf zora y r u so low?" and then ignore me when I tell them shields aren't included.
Anyway! Point being: Heal Meters tell about half the story, in any way. You a shaman healing the tank? Ask about the 10% damage mitigation you're giving them even though the paladin is beating you in healing done. Is the paladin (Or disc priest!) helping out healing the raid at all? Are you? Did anyone in the raid die? Was it preventable?
Anyway, I'm rambling. Basically, heal meters are for druids, paladins, and morons. :)
P.S. DPS meters are irrelevant.
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