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Can You Still Raid as a BM?
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The question at hand is not "Is BM a
better
raiding spec than SV/MM?"
The question at hand is "Can you raid as BM at all?"
The answer is simply, "Yes, you can."
All the stupid hardcore raiding blather aside, BM can put numbers enough to get through Uld 10/25 as is. So yes, you can raid BM. The fact you won't be top dog is just life.
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catlady
If you want to make an argument based on DPS, why not set a minimum acceptable standard, and stick with it, regardless of class or spec. If a BM hunter meets your standard, then he/she comes to the raid. If a MM or SV hunter (or rogue, mage, spriest, etc.) fails to meet the standard (nevermind that they have the "best" endgame raid spec), then they go.
This is it in a nutshell
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catlady
Will this irritate people - YES!
People? Not most I've run with... I get more remarks of people impressed.
It really, really irritates Survival hunters to see Beast Masters doing well.
/agree
I hate when they say "You are only beating me cause BM is easy"
So I say, "if it is so easy--why dont you play it"
They respond with, "cause I like a challenge"
So I say, "I think it is more challenging to play the underdog spec--especially to play it well enough to out-dps a SV hunter with an advantage"
And they usually say something like "I dont have an advantage--BM is easy"
So I usually let it go there
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catlady
Im sure you impress people with your dps ... while wearing a few
ulduar gear pieces in 10 naxx ... WOW.
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What happens when you do 5k on patch with no uludar gear, BM spec?
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catlady
The BM hunters in here need to realize that when they talk about them outDPSing the SV/MM hunter, everybody knows that you either extremely outgear them (or if you state otherwise) that
they suck as a player
. Or you're lying.
Currently, BM is the inferior DPS spec
. ]This also means that if that SV hunter doesn't beat you and you don't out gear him; then he is bad.
There is no argument.
The fact is that SV is a higher DPS spec than BM
.
It's black and white.
There is no argument. If you go into the spreadsheet with the cookie cutter SV spec/priority and respec/re-gem/new priority to BM your DPS will lower.
I'm sorry, it's a fact. The way the talents play out make BM the worst DPS spec.
Bottom line, as BM you're gimping your DPS. Some people think it's fine because they're rather play their favorite spec than do better DPS. Others can't see why you would do that.
Overall, I agree with what you are saying. Absolutely, a SV or MM hunter who knows what they are doing will get better numbers than a BM hunter.
But that doesnt mean, that PERSONALLY, as a BM hunter I am lowering my dps.
WHY?
Because PERSONALLY, I am a very good BM hunter. I am a poor SV one. My numbers are about equal SV and BM, when I work at it--which prooves to me that you are right and SV is higher damage--cause I know I am not good at SV but I still match a spec I am good at--but for me, playing SV is frustrating, boring and not very fun. So when I try to play it, I slack off, loose interest, and my numbers go down. OR I try really hard to do everything correctly, and have no fun at all--and then I stop raiding.
When BM first got nerfed--and SV was super OP, before the little nerfs that brought it down a bit--I tried SV. And I hated it. I stopped raiding entirely from February through June, basically. I just completely lost interest in the hunter class. I leveled alts, I made a twink, but in end-game raiding I have no interest in anything other than BM hunter.
I have seen many terrible SV and MM hunters, hunters who dont put out even acceptable numbers. Maybe they would get better numbers if they went BM. Would they be fufilling the potential of the class--no--but not everyone is a machine. They might be able to fufill their PERSONAL potential.
One more thing. Latency affects BM spec least of all 3--so for someone who is consistantly riding at 220+ (and I have raided over 300), BM is the least frustrating.
BM might be the best spec for the casual player/raider. If you are struggling to get decent dps from SV/MM--try BM. You might get where you need to be. Put it this way: one of the 2 SV hunters in our guild was told he couldnt raid with us anymore unless he gets his numbers up. Neither of the BM hunters has been told that.
Which is better--which is more usefull to my guild? Good numbers from an inferior spec, or inferior numbers from a superior spec? And dont tell me I could do better--because maybe I cant--even though you can.
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catlady
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What happens when you do 5k on patch with no uludar gear, BM spec?
Then you run Emalon 25/H ToC a LOT. Or you're lying. Or both. I'm leaning towards both.
The thing is that any BM hunter that does 5k on patch with no ulduar gear could do 6-7k as SV. So I highly doubt that's possible.
You can look me up. I posted my armory before. My name is Saffavia. I am the only one with that name, so I am easy to find. I have 2 pieces of 8.5 gear, but the last time I ran patch I did 5.1k--and I only had the 8.5 gloves. (Which, as you guessed, I got from Emalon)
You can look me up on those sites that track dps--personally, I dont know what they are--but I am sure an expert like you does.
Yes, you can claim I am lying. You can claim that I ran those numbers in my SV spec, or maybe even believe that I have better gear that I switch out to trick people looking at my armory. But that is a low blow. What purpose would I possibly have by lying? I could just not reply here--or hell if I were lying anyway why not claim 6k?
I am not lying. You can believe what you want--but if you think i am lying then you are the one who is living in a pre-conceived notion that you are unwilling to break.
but, given your name, i am not terribly surprised if you are an ass
EDIT: If you think I am lying, I have a way to prove it to you that I am not. :)
Go to femaledwarf.com, input my armory, and change the helm to the arc-scorched (which is what I had before). Enable standard raid buffs, (not even optimal) and see for yourself, it is possible to get over 5k as BM--without being very well geared. Hell! According to femaledwarf I should be able to get 6.4 with optimal buffs--so I am not even living up to my potential!
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I've seen SV hunter's do 6k DPS on Patch when Naxx was the only raid available, I've seen others do 8k lately.
I'd like to see a BM hunter match that. I'd applaud you if you were to reach this, for you would be a truly exemplary BM hunter.
If you want to make an argument based on DPS, why not set a minimum acceptable standard, and stick with it, regardless of class or spec. If a BM hunter meets your standard, then he/she comes to the raid. If a MM or SV hunter (or rogue, mage, spriest, etc.) fails to meet the standard (nevermind that they have the "best" endgame raid spec), then they go.
Personally, 5-5.5k on a benchmark boss or you're gone. I haven't seen these numbers consistently from a BM hunter since the unfortunate pre-Readiness nerf.
Edit: Also, put up or shut up. Prove you're not gimping your raid, otherwise stop misinforming young hunters.
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catlady
I've seen SV hunter's do 6k DPS on Patch when Naxx was the only raid available, I've seen others do 8k lately.
I'd like to see a BM hunter match that. I'd applaud you if you were to reach this, for you would be a truly exemplary BM hunter.
If you want to make an argument based on DPS, why not set a minimum acceptable standard, and stick with it, regardless of class or spec. If a BM hunter meets your standard, then he/she comes to the raid. If a MM or SV hunter (or rogue, mage, spriest, etc.) fails to meet the standard (nevermind that they have the "best" endgame raid spec), then they go.
Personally, 5-5.5k on a benchmark boss or you're gone. I haven't seen these numbers consistently from a BM hunter since the unfortunate pre-Readiness nerf.
Edit: Also, put up or shut up. Prove you're not gimping your raid, otherwise stop misinforming young hunters.
With what gear? No one in my guild does 5.5k on patch. Not the locks, not the rogues, not the SV hunters.
Am I gimping my raid? When I am top of the damage meter at 5k? The 2 are mutually exclusive.
I belive you have unreasonable expectations for the casual raider.
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