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Synectics
Incredibly constructive, mr. keyboard hero.
Thanks for PTR state feedback.
Thanks for jumping to conclusions.
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xaratherus
30% of a good post is having the right information; 70% is phrasing it appropriately.
While your information appears to be completely valid based on complaints in other venues, like EJ and on the PTR forums, the fact that you phrased in such a TSiF manner is going to make it hard to take seriously.
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00bender00
Well I did.
Talents: Didn't max out heart of the crusader (1% crit)
Didn't touch Swift Retribution (3% haste)
Didn't touch Righteous Vengeance (dunno, dun care how much, but it's dps lost)
Glyphs? If you want DPS, get DPS glyphs. Glyph of salvation is useless
Gear... leather? Christ, not even hitcapped either.
If you wanna brag about how good you are, make sure you actually ARE good.
Dude, you cant tell a pvp spec from a pve spec can you?
About my gear:
0) Achievements came with 3.0, why in the hell would you go back raiding SSC/Mag/Gruul back then? We killed Felmyst and pretty much WLK arrived. I have a fraps from my POV of the kill if you want me to upload it. Note the date of my Exalted TBC reps. I didnt roll after 3.0. I rolled half way though TBC and no,
my guild wasnt stil doing old content so has been hard as hell for me to gear.
1) I am HIT and EXPERTISE capped, alliance need only 7% hit and im at 7.32%.
2) Not gonna discuss my spec and glyphs because its a pvp setup and its nearly perfect for its purpose. Just onna switch SoC for Turn Evil as soon as im bothered.
3)
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45893
is an upgrade over any plate i could find, seeing as
i didnt need the hit rating
provided from the old spiked titansteel.
4)
I happen to wear weird mixes of pvp and pve gear when i farm instances
, to be crit immune and still mantain high AP.
5) YES i do use boots and belt from furious set in PvE too, razuvius girdle always went to DKs, and in case you dont mind the resilience you would notice pretty good STR/CRIT on them. I am expertise / hit capped anyways.
6) The best gear for raiding isnt always the best gear for doing solo stuff. That's why i dont use my FoFF most of the time when solo, etc, etc.
7) Prot spec is a PvP spec too, its a healing spec for 2v2, and it has its own set of gear.
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THIS is my build (incl. glyphs) on PTR
http://ptr.wowhead.com/?talent#sVZE0zZVfbtbIuhdIfsu:G0acz0
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My PvE gear stats: (note there may be small differences due to JC changes, these stats are from live)
3739 ap (ub) incl. 110 ap (sigh) enchant but 320 FoFF
238 haste
240 hit
31.15% crit
26 expertise
Note that i didnt include glyph of consecration on the PTR build because the cooldown clashes are terrible, and you rarely have time to use it on single target. Rather get the free expertise and use more AP.
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And please note that I'M NOT TRYING TO PVE AT ALL atm, weather in Italy is awesome, and we're pretty much everyone on vacation / raid break.
Although Runetotem EU isnt listed as an italian server, most guilds are italian here and all are in the same situation.
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The OP's main fault was to post in this forum.
It's hostile by default.
Yea, i noticed that. I still think it's worth posting unfiltered information for the few non-trolls.
It seems a common attitude on any board to go for the throat of whoever brings bad news, then they cant accept it, then they point silly things about your armory to criticize things out of context.
They do whatever they can to make you appear as "bad", while they havent a clue about you or what you actually tested and did or are doing with your character when the armory did his snapshot.
Like, criticizing the PvE viability of a PvP spec is just pathetic.
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Anyways, as many on other boards managed to say instead of insulting people for posting actual data, let's hope the nerf to SoV is unintended.
It looks too much as a PvP burst reduction to me to be though.
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"Hello, my guild was fail and we raided Karazhan again and again. But after 3.0 hit, and all the raid bosses were nerfed we were finally able to pug some good people and defeated Archimonde in MH. Then I went on again to wipe repeatedly at Sunwell Plateau just so I could put it into a post to state that I was an uber leet raider back in TBC."
This was my TBC guild:
http://spark.guild.nu/
http://www.wowjutsu.com/eu/runetotem/
I left them cause of work after a few weeks we started Naxx, and quit with assidue (4/5 days x week) raiding since then.
This was my previous character in the same guild:
http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-achievements.xml?r=Runetotem&cn=Kitano&gn=I+Legionari+Di+Stormwind
You can see my
Vashj
and
Kael Thas
kills on him, until they "kindly" asked me to gear up my paladin cause they needed a second ret.
For some reason achievement system didnt assign my Archimonde kill on him. Maybe too early, dont know.
I never set a foot in Black Temple because it was Sat and Sun, and italians DONT raid on Sat and Sun.
Fail guild my ass.
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Post by
valundar
Nice,
I never thought to dps with resil gear in 5-mans to be crit immune...
That could help if ya run into a fail tank that cant keep aggro...
I just got my 25/50 fish caught achievement.... at the same time my fishing skill leveled up to 400...
...
...
Yeah, achievements don't match what you actually accomplished.
On to the OP.
I think we just need to give it time.
It is most likely just a testing tweak. (the purpose of having a PTR)
Start worrying if/when it is proven to be a DPS killer that makes it live.
Post by
Divisor
Nice,
I never thought to dps with resil gear in 5-mans to be crit immune...
That could help if ya run into a fail tank that cant keep aggro...
Umm, 3.7k AP ret doing heroics. You bet he'll over-aggro everything in melee range, d0h. Tanks in heroics are not exactly top-notch tanks with 9-10k TPS. They are gearing tanks, hoping they will be accepted in the next Naxx run. From this point, I totally understand his decision. I've been there, asked by friends, with my undergeared warrior. As soon as I did Whirlwind, at least 2 mobs were on me. And I'm very undergeared.
About the changes on the PTR, I can only hope they are temporary. Ret is not top DPS in any fight at this moment. Warriors were 100% top dps in almost every boss fight in Naxx. That's why they got the -10% damage on TG. Huge nerf ? Yes. Deserved ? Yes. Are they fine now ? Absolutely. Not the same can be said about rets. They can barely make it in top5 dps. To accomplish that, you need good skill and lots of luck on the drops. 60% of the drops in Ulduar have ArP on them. Rets don't use ArP. Hence I can't see the reason for this nerf. It's true, the rets need a rotation. Simply mashing 5 buttons every 6 seconds is not a rotation. But if they are going to give paladins a rotation at the expense of -10% dps, I can say "nothxdiebye". Will see how things turn out from the PTR and if they make it to live, will see how bad it will be.
PS. Thanks to all the trolls around here that couldn't help themselves and almost buried bender in "Look how much you suck and how much I shine" posts. You gave me a good laugh.
Post by
Fulgurah
This post would be fine, if people would shut the hell up and realize one key thing:
The change to SoV on the PTR is more probably than not a huge bug. I do not believe that Blizzard would change SoV this greatly (and cripple Ret DPS in the process) without so much as a patch note saying it. If we don't hear from a Blue today that this is intended, I believe this change will be reverted in the next PTR push.
So calm the hell down. This isn't about FOTM or who's an actual ret paladin or anything. It's about an incomplete PTR push with a bug on our main DPS ability. It sucks, but until we hear more, who cares?
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Post by
valundar
Nice,
I never thought to dps with resil gear in 5-mans to be crit immune...
That could help if ya run into a fail tank that cant keep aggro...
Umm, 3.7k AP ret doing heroics. You bet he'll over-aggro everything in melee range, d0h. Tanks in heroics are not exactly top-notch tanks with 9-10k TPS. They are gearing tanks, hoping they will be accepted in the next Naxx run. From this point, I totally understand his decision. I've been there, asked by friends, with my undergeared warrior. As soon as I did Whirlwind, at least 2 mobs were on me. And I'm very undergeared.
About the changes on the PTR, I can only hope they are temporary. Ret is not top DPS in any fight at this moment. Warriors were 100% top dps in almost every boss fight in Naxx. That's why they got the -10% damage on TG. Huge nerf ? Yes. Deserved ? Yes. Are they fine now ? Absolutely. Not the same can be said about rets. They can barely make it in top5 dps. To accomplish that, you need good skill and lots of luck on the drops. 60% of the drops in Ulduar have ArP on them. Rets don't use ArP. Hence I can't see the reason for this nerf. It's true, the rets need a rotation. Simply mashing 5 buttons every 6 seconds is not a rotation. But if they are going to give paladins a rotation at the expense of -10% dps, I can say "nothxdiebye". Will see how things turn out from the PTR and if they make it to live, will see how bad it will be.
PS. Thanks to all the trolls around here that couldn't help themselves and almost buried bender in "Look how much you suck and how much I shine" posts. You gave me a good laugh.
Perhaps you misunderstood me(or I you)... I was agreeing with him.
I think it is a good idea to run with the crit-immunity.
And Yup, This forum has been getting decidedly less friendly lately.
Time to take action and bring the friendly back to wowhead!
Post by
xaratherus
So calm the hell down. This isn't about FOTM or who's an actual ret paladin or anything. It's about an incomplete PTR push with a bug on our main DPS ability. It sucks, but until we hear more, who cares?
The reason why everyone jumped on this is because of the way the title and original post were worded. I agree there seems to be a disproportionate amount of snark in the thread, but it stemmed from a poorly worded "the sky is falling!" origin.
Post by
Quest
This thread TL;DR:
u:MUH NUMBERZ Y THEY AINT BIG?
them:pvp needed less burst
u: RABBLE RABBLE!
them: SoV
u: WAT
Post by
00bender00
I think we just need to give it time.
It is most likely just a testing tweak. (the purpose of having a PTR)
Start worrying if/when it is proven to be a DPS killer that makes it live.
I hope so.
The thing is many guilds bring a ret mainly for the JoL scaling for hard modes (so i hear from my 3s partner) and losing that scalability is enough to be worried for me.
If they dont let SoV proc from anything but white attacks its gonna be bad beyond imagination.
I sort of like the new system, full dps requiring stacks (although these are applied automatically), but a bit more interaction between the skills could have been cool.
Although my playtime is mainly dedicated to battlegrounds and arena atm, since many many of us are on vacation on seasonal work, i use a some resilience to get crit immunity for farming instances solo aswell, to get greens to poof.
PvP spec helps a bit here too.
Anyways being left into a very very bad state the whole tbc has shown us how slowly (if they do) blizzard fixes us up.
This REALLY looks like someone who just goes along with fotm, then thinks it's a nerf when they can't see big numbers anymore.
Stop whining and deal with it.
Here's another one that didnt read the posts. Sigh.
How do you deal with a bug?
This thread TL;DR:
u:MUH NUMBERZ Y THEY AINT BIG?
them:pvp needed less burst
u: RABBLE RABBLE!
them: SoV
u: WAT
Another example.
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