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204878
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Post by
Squishalot
Oops, I didn't have time to read the article this morning, was just going by Sinespe's comments, which seemed to indicate that if he had done it, it would've been OK to write it one way, but not another, hence my confusion.
Also no. Libel is untrue defamation of character (slander) when not in a spoken form (written, TV, etc).
Yeah, that's what I was thinking, which is why I was confused.
Post by
91278
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Post by
ElhonnaDS
Has anyone linked anything about
this
story yet?
Synopsis: This kid's college roommate found out he was gay, and this roommate decided to set up his computer so that the webcam faced his bed and had some kind of alarm for when someone was in the room while he was away. The roommate then used the webcam to broadcast when his roommate was intimate with another man. It happened a couple of times, and at one point the roommate was tweeting about a "viewing party" where he would show a bunch of people the footage of his roommate having sex with another man.
Well, the gay roommate found out, and killed himself like a day or two later. The student who set up the camera and showed the footage to everyone is being charged with various counts of invasion of privacy and bias intimidation, and related counts of trying to hinder the investigation and get witnesses to lie for him. He could face up to 10 years in prison. He already turned down a plea deal where there was no prison time, probably because he didn't feel like he was guilty of anything.
Post by
Adamsm
People are &*!@s....seriously, why the hell would someone do something like that?
Post by
MyTie
Has anyone linked anything about
this
story yet?
Synopsis: This kid's college roommate found out he was gay, and this roommate decided to set up his computer so that the webcam faced his bed and had some kind of alarm for when someone was in the room while he was away. The roommate then used the webcam to broadcast when his roommate was intimate with another man. It happened a couple of times, and at one point the roommate was tweeting about a "viewing party" where he would show a bunch of people the footage of his roommate having sex with another man.
Well, the gay roommate found out, and killed himself like a day or two later. The student who set up the camera and showed the footage to everyone is being charged with various counts of invasion of privacy and bias intimidation, and related counts of trying to hinder the investigation and get witnesses to lie for him. He could face up to 10 years in prison. He already turned down a plea deal where there was no prison time, probably because he didn't feel like he was guilty of anything.
This is heinous, regardless of sexual orientation. I don't think homosexuality has squat to do with it. You film someone being intimate and broadcast it without their knowledge to the internet, and that is wrong.
But, the dude killed himself? He ended his life over it? Why not just beat the guy up? I mean, it isn't ideal, but it is rational. Killing yourself over something this benign is irrational. I don't really blame the death on the guy who filmed it.
Post by
Adamsm
Killing yourself over something this benign is irrational.We need to learn more about the victim, and find out if he had any mental problems; since something like that, having your intimate moments on the Internet 'forever', wouldn't be good for the rep or the mind. As for the filmer; I hope they get him with some type of charge in regard to the death.
Post by
MyTie
As for the filmer; I hope they get him with some type of charge in regard to the death.
I don't see how the death is his fault, based on the information provided. I don't hope for that punishment at all. Was his action heinous? Yes. But did it cause death? No. Suicide did. It's a tragedy. But, charges relating to someone's death? I don't see how that's warranted.
Post by
Adamsm
As for the filmer; I hope they get him with some type of charge in regard to the death.
I don't see how the death is his fault, based on the information provided. I don't hope for that punishment at all. Was his action heinous? Yes. But did it cause death? No. Suicide did. It's a tragedy. But, charges relating to someone's death? I don't see how that's warranted.
It's what the guy did; they've charged bullies for causing the suicide death of the people they've abused....I don't see how this is any different.
Post by
Squishalot
There aren't charges relating to his death, only the invasion of privacy and hindering investigation. It's not like he's being charged for murder or manslaughter or anything like that.
Post by
MyTie
It's what the guy did; they've charged bullies for causing the suicide death of the people they've abused....I don't see how this is any different.I disagree with those charges. If you steal someone's money, they go bankrupt, and commit suicide, you get charged with theft. Same should hold true with bullying. Bullying is horrible. It should be punished. But, filing charges based on somone's suicide, I just don't see how there is evidence that you caused the suicide to happen. I blame the person that committed suicide.
There aren't charges relating to his death, only the invasion of privacy and hindering investigation. It's not like he's being charged for murder or manslaughter or anything like that.
This isn't being disputed. What SHOULD happen is.
Post by
Adamsm
It's what the guy did; they've charged bullies for causing the suicide death of the people they've abused....I don't see how this is any different.I disagree with those charges. If you steal someone's money, they go bankrupt, and commit suicide, you get charged with theft. Same should hold true with bullying. Bullying is horrible. It should be punished. But, filing charges based on somone's suicide, I just don't see how there is evidence that you caused the suicide to happen. I blame the person that committed suicide.I don't; I blame the aggressor who caused the victim's death. And considering what the person in question did, I see a lot of evidence for him causing the victim to kill himself.
Post by
Squishalot
I agree with MyTie in this case - there isn't a direct causal link. It'd be like pushing someone into a shallow pool, and calling it murder because they decided not to stand up and drowned instead.
Post by
MyTie
I don't; I blame the aggressor who caused the victim's death. And considering what the person in question did, I see a lot of evidence for him causing the victim to kill himself.
Does this always hold true? If I say someone on wowhead is picking on me, and I off myself, should that person be charged with manslaughter? What about you? Can I say you are singling me out and making me feel bad, somehow?
I'm not saying you are. I'm just saying that you are leaving something VERY serious up to a pretty loose interpretation. I agree that some people push others to suicide, but if you start making laws for this stuff, then soon people who don't deserve it can be slapped with murder charges. Where are the boundaries? How could those be defined? If you say something mean to someone, and they hang themselves, should you got to jail, for what... 20 years?
I don't like shifting the responsibility. You commit suicide, and that action is YOUR chosen action, regardless of others, and I can only think of a few extreme POSSIBLE exceptions to that, that are so minuscule in probability that they aren't even worth mentioning.
I'm going to bed now, and then back out for more training in the morning (last day of training woot). I'll read your reply tomorrow night.
Post by
Adamsm
It would be a case by case(same as most things) but in this case, it's fairly obvious he did kill himself because of what the roommate did to him. I'd feel the same way if someone raped someone else and the victim ended up committing suicide; I'd want the rapist to be charged harsh because of that.
Post by
204878
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
Squishalot
It would be a case by case(same as most things) but in this case, it's fairly obvious he did kill himself because of what the roommate did to him. I'd feel the same way if someone raped someone else and the victim ended up committing suicide; I'd want the rapist to be charged harsh because of that.
Actually, the principle of negligence is based on the idea of there being a predictable behaviour - you are negligent (criminally or otherwise) if you should have been able to reasonably foresee the resulting consequence. I don't think it's a reasonable consequence that someone dies after they're videoed having sex.
Post by
Adamsm
I don't think it's a reasonable consequence that someone dies after they're videoed having sex.I'd agree...if the video in question wasn't passed around the internet and the person making the video actually tweeted people when to log in to watch the act......
Post by
Squishalot
I still don't think it's a reasonably foreseeable consequence. You might as well say that calling someone fat while they're lying on a beach can reasonably result in suicide.
Post by
Adamsm
If the person has body issues or depression, and you knew that before saying said comment, I'd say yes.
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