West Wall Wins Wintergrasp

Post by TheMediator

Its unfortunate, but the reality of wintergrasp is, that the west wall is the least defendable spot of the keep, and horde have an innate advantage because the idiots on their faction spawn in a position to attack the west wall, whereas the alliance idiots are more likely to attack the east wall, the most defended spot on the keep. Lately, on my server our wintergrasp control is dependant on how many people understand this concept and are able to resist the urge to zerg east wall, and run across the map and attack as if they are horde - using the west siege to tank zerg the west wall. Hopefully, the next "wintergrasp" in whatever expansion coming can make a more balanced map, because right now the map favors the horde, and its enough to allow horde to gain many times more tokens and easier access to VoA.

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Post by Jaspirac

The horde on my server always logout in the fort and take out the west wall canons first and then roll straight into the keep winning in less than 5 minutes. No matter how much you try to tell Ally to inc the west wall they fail. Similarly I've seen Alliance beat themselves against the east wall while a few smart ones grab 2 tanks and walk right in from west. I have also been witness and participant in some great west wall defenses- pushing back 20 siege engines and holding the west courtyard for 15 minutes.

I find that the horde players make better use to the bugs that allow them to log out with rank and then zerg the zone as well as logging in the keep itself. Alliance just get rolled and cry about it but never think to try the same "cheats" themselves. At least that's what I see on my server.

Noting the log in VoA I notice that my server has the alliance hold on defense more than twice what the horde does. I'm just noting that when the horde wants the fort- they know exactly what to do and how to do it- and it comes from taking advantage of the bugs and not any less-defensible wall.

Post by Booterang

Stop complaining, faction skill varies based on server. What I have found in wintergrasp is that usually the most co-ordinated side wins the match. It has nothing to do with faction.

I have won wintergrasp because I've formed my own raid group with my guildies, and we rush an unprotected side of the wall with 6+ siege engines while the fight is going on (usually 100 vs 100 or so). A small group of just 10 people can turn the tide if they know what they are doing. Co-ordination is key.

Post by Katsudon

Its a slight geographical advantage for attackers to aim at the west wall. This is because the graveyard for defenders forces you to the east shop inside the keep (and is therefore the easiest choke point to defend). Alliance attackers teleport in from the east. Horde attackers teleport from the west. Therefore Horde has a slight advantage (and its noticible; i regularly play wintergrasp on an alliance toon and a horde toon on different servers) but i wouldn't say its game breaking. Its not quite as unfair as the alliance advantage on say, AV is (ie bridge of doom).

Either way, attackers almost always win. You have to be outplayed pretty badly to not take the keep.

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Post by TheMediator

I'm an idiot and think my faction has a whole is more skilled for some reason. I can't accept that my side has an advantage.

That's all I read. Think person, think. You really believe that one faction is the "skilled" faction? You sound racist, I bet you think blacks as a race are apelike since their average score on IQ tests are lower than whites, ignoring the social factors that would cause their scores to be lower.

I try not to use insults on forums. I find they weaken threads, reduce the respectability of the forums and, more importantly, make me seem stupid.

But you're an idiot. And nothing I could say would do more than to more elaborately call you an idiot.

You take something as harmless as his remark and you FLIP OUT. Bloody hell man. Get a grip on yourself.

As to the wall, what would you prefer? It was the other way around? Get over yourself. I'm a Hordie *points at AV*. You want inbalance, try THAT on for size. Or Strand. Or, heck, Alliance needing 1% less hit for raiding because LOLSPACECOWS.

Jeesh. Someone will always say someone else has it better. Grass is greener, fences, blahblah. You know what I realized the other day? Life SUCKS. Therefore, WoW must SUCK. QQ about the imperfections all you want. You know what your two options are? Cope, or give up. I'm personally hoping you give up. Unless you play on Retaliation battlegroup. I would gladly farm your arena team into oblivion before you give up. PMS, FTW.

Oh, and for the record, on my server, Alliance has about 10 more defensive wins. And about 2 months go, Horde got roughly 60 straight defensive wins from a glitch. So... Ummm... IF you're still losing, the wall bug may a part of the issue. But if you're losing THAT much, maybe you should just... Try harder. And try for a little less QQ in your next post. Or at least... QQ about something sane. "Horde have it easier in WG because west well is 1.32% harder to defend. HAX"

Flip out? Look who flipped out. And if you don't think the advantage is noticeable, you're the idiot.

Post by cloudp

*tries to get it to the point of the post again*

Well, west has a slight tactical advantage, and is something to factor. I imagine on fair servers it could be an issue, as well as with the new patch 100vs100. On my server, it is usual to see Alliance with and aburd stack of Tenacity, and we more often than not win. As stated before, defending is incredibly harder.

And usually, i find no better atack than spreading 6 tanks on 3 walls, 2 per, on different timings, and watch the alliance spreading their forces. Every time we do it, they just lose control, and we win on our second brute-force assault, whichever wall we strike. But it really is a matter of server population more than this kind of details.

But really, this is worth noticing but not game-breaking.

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Post by TheMediator

I read his post. You need to read his post, then read between the lines... "My side wins wintergrasp, the more coordinated side wins obviously durr dumbie face, we're just more skilled".

Yes, he is saying that his faction wins because for some reason, his faction has "more skill", which is just a damn joke in Wintergrasp when its just a massive retard zergfest. His retards are just smarter than alliance retards obviously, there is NO map imbalance at all. Yeah.

Post by TaurenSham

I.T.T we complain about how wintergrasp might be slightly unfair to the alliance when most PvP maps are unfair to Horde.

Back on Topic.

While the west wall may be easier to take.... No one ever takes it. At least on my server. The fight is always up the middle or the east wall regardless of who is attacking/defending.

Post by Booterang

I think this thread should be locked since the OP is obviously incapable of reading other peoples posts with a sense of impartiality.

To state it slowly:

My main is an orc shaman.

The Horde on my server usually LOSE wintergrasp.

The reason why we lose is because the Alliance have more prolific PvP players, a higher population, and they are often more co-ordinated then us. The Alliance side tends to have raid groups assigned a specific job which people do. The horde... zergs the west wall.

Try not to be an idiot and 'read between the lines' where there is no text.

Post by TheMediator

No, impartial is accepting that perhaps the map imbalance isn't enough to cause horde to dominate as hard as they have... but that's bull&*!@ saying that I'm not impartial because someone is saying that my faction is losing because the other faction is just more skilled - I have never played any game ever where a realm, faction, or whatever was dominating simply because they were "better". The skill averages out across just a large population that there is no real noticeable difference in large groups of players essentially randomly thrown onto each side. Now, difference in population size being the factor, that may be the cause, but skill difference? No. Just no.

West Wall Wins Wintergrasp

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