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fiote
I am disgusted that you would say something like that about someone who defends you, allows you to be able to play this game, have this website and have the freedom to be able to slander us without reprimand... Horrible.
I almost threw up, really. Thats SUCH an "american-oh-world-saviors" line.
You guys went to Iraq 'cause uncle Bush wanted free oil for your country and now there is that OH LOOK WE DID IT FOR FREEDOM OK.
Like someone else said, there a LOT of jobs that save lives... why would only the army get credit for it?
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Zmobie
Bush is out. Obama is in. Troops are going OUT of Iraq.
Some of you need to get your facts straight.
I hope you realize it is nowhere near that simple.
I'm all for giving Military personal who are deployed this kind of perk. I'm very much against war, especially that kind of crap America seems to get itself into (and I'm American so I'd know), but since these guys put their lives on the line they deserve it.
On the other hand, I can understand the other sides point of view. Most soldiers chose to serve on their own free will, and they knew the risks when they signed up. And then I understand why people think they shouldn't get those perks.
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fiote
I choose to enlist to defend my country.
Point for you (no sarcasm). Joinin' the army of the most feared/hated country in the world isnt a easy choice.
I simply stated that the general idea of joining the military is to defend your own country should it happen to be invaded and we do it knowing that there are people were defending who don't like us.
Yay, thats the spirit. You should DEFEND, not attack.
I was told to go to Iraq.
Uncle bush orders, goin agaisnt all your ideals.
Going to Iraq and fighting was not securing our freedoms in America, it was securing the freedoms of the people in Iraq.
Sooooo naive, arent we? Lets remember WHY you guys went there... werent ya looking for some kind of YA THEY GOT IT biological weapon that never came out to exist? The cool part is that you (you = a good part of the usa) are SOOOO brainwashed with your so-called nationalism that you just cant see the obvious reason of the invasion.
And, even so, dont put your little noise where you're not invited. Bush (and others) used to overpass UN orders/advices for "the good of the world"... and look what they got! loads and loads of oil =D
I really, i REALLY wish Obama will prove me wrong.
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SirPunky
I call for a lock to this thread.
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dashihawk
Army disciplined guild might have some troubles. Now on the other hand a Marine trained guild that would be something to be admired. Semper Fi
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dashihawk
Going to Iraq and fighting was not securing our freedoms in America, it was securing the freedoms of the people in Iraq.
Sooooo naive, arent we? Lets remember WHY you guys went there... werent ya looking for some kind of YA THEY GOT IT biological weapon that never came out to exist? The cool part is that you (you = a good part of the usa) are SOOOO brainwashed with your so-called nationalism that you just cant see the obvious reason of the invasion.
And, even so, dont put your little noise where you're not invited. Bush (and others) used to overpass UN orders/advices for "the good of the world"... and look what they got! loads and loads of oil =D
Riddle me this Batman, if you're SOOOO SMART... Do you really even know what you're saying? Have you been to Iraq and talked to the people who tore down the statue of Saddam? Were you there when the citizens voted for the first time and hugged us and shook our hands with smiles on their faces? Forget the oil freakshow! I didn't see one drop of oil while I was over there and I'm sure neither did anyone else. And if the only reason why you're arguing this whole point is because you're anti-bush...stop being ignorant and bashing on the military. Who are you to judge me and what I've done or do? Who are you in the first place to do any judging of anyone in the military?
He is THAT guy. If you are in the service you will come across them. THAT guy doesn't understand why you do it. It doesn't matter what you tell him. He will never understand. The call. The pride. The honor. The privilege.
THAT guy doesn't know what it is. But as brothers we know. That is all that matters.
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dashihawk
So is playing wow the only thing american troops do in there off-time?
And they should get it because they are saving lives? So we should give free game time to all medical people too.
They deal with stress filled and hostile situations regularly. So we should also give free time to prison officers and prison inmates.
Its a way to keep in contact with friends and family. So we should give free time to anyone going on an a extended buisness trip
I wonder how you would feel if people were saying that Terrorist groups (i.e. those people you are fighting) should be given free wow time too (kinda amusing idea in a few ways). One mans terroist is another mans freedom fighters and all that jazz.
Bottom line is, as much as having a freebie would be nice its not going to happen. Maintaining a wow account is just another bill, just like paying rent, just like paying car tax/insurance. Just because your overseas doesn't make any of those bills go away either.
I agree with the last paragraph. we deal with bills. But for the rest of it. some things are better left un said. But if I ever meet you face to face you might think twice about comparing us to terrorists. Plenty of young americans have given up a lot so you could say that ^&*!. Show them some respect.
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nihmue
Nice flamewar, guys.. :/
Anyway, aside from whether it's a good or bad idea, it will likely never happen since it would have Blizzard making a political statement. A lot of US military action is highly controversial in the rest of the world, and I think it would not sit well with many if they decided to support American troops this way. I also vaguely remember: isn't a big part of Blizzard/WoW based in France now? They aren't well known for their love of the US so to speak...
I think if anyone should be given free accounts (and I don't think anyone should), I would rather give them to people like doctors, people working for the Red Cross etc, who are entirely focused on saving lives. But I doubt people in such professions have much time to play anyway.
I think I'm going to go with SirPunky now and ask for a lock of the thread if flaming continues.
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Celdhyrean
I'm against it. Not because of arguments about wether it's deserved or whatever, but simply because this is a fictionnal world where people of all countries, nationalities, beliefs and so on come together and act together. Inserting elements of real life in this is a recipe for disaster, plain and simple, especially when it concerns grim stuff where there's bound to be people with hard feelings (wether with good reasons or not).
This is World of Warcraft. If you want to honor peoples do it privately, do it in real life in the usual events planned for that, send your appreciation to them, but don't force others to watch/be a part of it, that is bound to fail.
Regarding the rest of the argument that is starting to go down in flames : yes soldiers are important for any country regarding the current state of international or even intranational relationships. That doesn't mean that all the thing they do are good or whatever. Supporting them as a whole and a principle is ok, but supporting every action they (are told to) do because of that is just being blind. All armies have done unfair things, even when acting for "justice" all armies have had their share of bad apples and so on. Not realising that and refusing to understand the perceptions of those actions by those who were on the other side of the gun is just being short-sighted.
For example, I know a vietnamese family who was forced to flee their country as boat peoples after the US stopped the war there and who feel betrayed by that. Once again, don't talk to me about the sacrifice made by the US there and wether it's wrong or not. This is not about universal truth (there is none), it's about how other people percieve what happens.
Re Irak, freeing the people might have been one of the good results (though a mixed blessing in terms of ethnic killings), but it certainly wasn't the objective stated at the start. it only came up after weapons failed to show up. Also there were no terrorists there while Sadadm Husseing was there, they just jumped in on the occasion to do damage in Irak after the existing control structures had been brought down.
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