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Comentário de darkarsenic

One of the best and most useful openers in the game. with dirty deeds it can be reduced to 40 energy, and initiative it has a 75% chance to give you 3 combo points. The opener for a stunlock.

Comentário de 6984

Very useful if running with flag in WSG - if you see incoming mobs and you don't have many guards with you, just cheap shot! 4 seconds should be long enough for you to get reasonably far away.

Comentário de 7073

Just to correct you on that Bangy, Cheapshot requires you to be in stealth mode. If you stealth with the flag in your possesion you loose it. It is however very usefull if you are guarding someone with the flag, gives them the time to get away.

Comentário de As7raL86

Cheap Shot is the opener that most rogues prefer to use- unless the target is a mage. Mages can blink out of the stun, but are frail enough that an ambush crits usually takes over half their health.

Cheap Shot's leads the stunlock that so many classes hate, and is the foundation of a rogue's strength.

Comentário de Sebas

One of the new rogue abilities that appeal to almost all builds...best opener possible for a stun lock with a chance to give 3 combo points (with initiative) and the stun duration gives you plenty of time to get the other two combo points and get ready for a finisher (most likely kidney shot if you want to keep them stunlocked)

Comentário de 8456

a macro FYI
/cast Cheap Shot; stealth

Comentário de 10465

Rogues love this attack. Tanks do not.

As a tank I can only offer the following advice to all the rogues who love this "opener": please don't when you're in a group. We count on the rage we get from the initial blows to maintain aggro. If they are stunned and people start attacking we'll quickly loose aggro and have to taunt (which has a cool down, contrary to popular belief) the target to regain aggro.

Comentário de Thottbot

The bread and butter Rogue ability.

Comentário de Thottbot

Funny how I complain about being stun-locked to death when I'm playing alts, then I talk about how much I love cheap shot when I play my rogue...

Odd.

*coughuseagainstsquishiesandhealerscough*

Comentário de Thottbot

ok, Im lvl 26 now, I have cheap shot.
so, everyone seems to be saying to just backstab like crazy and then eviscerate. thing is, cheap shot uses 60 energy. I can only put in 1 backstab or so. Apparently, you use cheap shot on everything except maybe warlocks, cuz they can't escape as easy. and on mages you do whatever you are used to. Please, give me some more ideas on effective methods on using cheap shot.

Comentário de Thottbot

if for some reason u dont have enough energy to spam backstab and them eviscerate, use a thistle tea; it restores 100 energy instantly. cheap shot, bs, tea, bs, bs, evisc, dead.

Comentário de Thottbot

My rouge is lvl 60, and is 12/8/31. I use both ambush and cheap shot (both improved) dependeing on target level and armor. Also, I always use ambush if I have remorseless (100% crit chance), and backstab/hemohh instead of SS. BS for DPS, hemohh for combo points, whatever I need more. Clothies usually get ambushed, mobs with higher armor are stunned. Plain easy. Also, backstab is improved, so if I get behind my target, I can damage it quite well, if I have enough energy. Of coures, my setup can be the suckeist of all times, but I like it.

Comentário de Thottbot

I'd think ambush belongs with the hit and run tatic, rather than drawn out kill. Hit and run is way better for group pvp, stunlocking will just get you killed there, at least with hit and run you can quickly rape the hell out of someone then dissapear again. But yeah. I play a warlock, and my rogues level 15, so I know nothing.

Comentário de Thottbot

i used to hate rogues until i played one.

they have so many skills after lvl 30:

cheapshot, blind, kidney shot, gouge, +thisle tea + crippling poison (melee) and wound poison (healer) and kick for casters. probably more stuff, but too many to mention. oh yea, vanish, evasion, sprint, cold blood (assassination), adrenaline (combat), or hemorrage (subtlety).

after playing mage and priest, i hardly ever have any downtime with the rogue. only class i have real problems against pvp-wise are hunters mostly and good warriors sometimes.

on non-cloth, i usally open with cheapshot, then ss, then kite if they are crippled poison, or wait for 75% energy when not, then gouge, backstab, then kite some more, then kidney shot, and two backstabs, and stealth out or expose armor (more pve) if necessary.

on cloth i open with ambush, usually it drains so much hp it's hard to recover.

Comentário de Thottbot

I rly like cheap shot with my rogue (lvl 39 combat rogue) i open on every one with cheap shot coz my ambush sucks i backstab the target while stunned and i do more dmg with backstab than with ambush coz of Improved Backstab i got like 50%chance to crit i just wonder if its possible to cheap shot some one activate adrenaline rush and than spam BS like crazy

Comentário de Thottbot

Use CS as an opener.. hit SS a couple of times and then Gouge. You should now have 5 bubbles on the target. Use Cold Blood Eviscerate. If that does not kill them you can be sure they are near death. So their main concern will not be to kill you but rather to get to a distance or to heal - big mistake.
With my talents I usually crit (guaranteed with Cold Blood) for around 1200 HP... of course depending on the armor of the target. This works well with cloth/leather targets. The damage will be lower against plate.

Ambush would be better against mages as they will just blink out of the cheap-shot effect. So better 2 just get the app. 1000 hp damage on the mage right away - drink a Free action potion and activate sprint = 1 DEAD MAGE!
Its SO funny to watch mages panic when they try to freeze you and you just run straight through. Hell.. you can even laugh all the way untill you get close. When in close - just hit SS a couple of times (and kick/gouge when he tries to cast a spell) then K

Comentário de Thottbot

then Kindney shot. Then you can cry because the fight ended sooo fast.

If he begins to cast sheep just hit Vanish or get hit by it and use the Insignia to break it. Again Sprint is your friend here.

The tactics all vary depending on what type of poison you put on. If I use Deadly Poison (gives me 40% chance to apply it) the time is ticking even if he gets to a distance. And it helps against rouges that tries to vanish.

Always considder using Vanish as an offensive move to get that extra cheap shot in. It works fantastic together with Thistle Tea.

Right now I would say that the toughest opponent for me as a rouge would be warriors with 2h weapons and over-power skill. That kinda hurts a lot. You have to stun-lock them the whole time (or whenever you can). And get the Ripost skill to disarm them. DW Warriors pretty much sucks. You can out damage them any day - their armor is not enough. I usually take on DW warrior of a coulpe of levels higher than myself without any problems.

Lvl 53 rouge.
Lvl 60 Warrior.

Comentário de Thottbot

Ok, as the title goes, use Cheap Shot, wait for energy to charge back up, then gouge, get behind them quick, hit 'em up with a Backstab, then use Vanish, use Sprint Or your Free action potion, which ever is closer to your Vanish (Since you used Backstab, they are out of the stunner now, so they WILL run), Run up behind them, use Ambush, and BAM! Then just do one SS, then hit them with a Eviscerate, then run in front of them (by now sprint should have about 2 seconds left) hit with gouge, Backstab, and if you are at the next SS series, then your fightin a warrior, pally, priest with a PW shield, or a mage with the Mana Shield! And.. imagine if all of those were crits... ZOMG PWNED!

Comentário de Thottbot

i alwaiz cheap shot unless they are low on health or are sitting down which means free garanteed critxD

Comentário de Thottbot

Pair this with Mutilate or Hemo for long stunlocks

Comentário de Thottbot

Speaking from PvP perspective, cheap shot is arguably one of the best openers available to rogues. But the hard part is knowing when to use it, i.e. vs a mage, cheap shot, maybe get off a SS or backstab, then they blink, sprint up to them and kidney shot them and go crazy on their no armor ass. Or ambush crit for 2k+ dmg (I'm level 70 rogue) But a lock I always cheap shot, and stun-lock with gouge, blind ext... (Keep in mind that I ussally sap first to check for succubus if I can't see a pet.) Warriors garrote or cheap shot, druids cheap shot them if they are in a feral form, ambush if they are not. Priest, I cheap shot, hunters- cheap shot, other rogues- cheap shot. Also take note about your talent build, sub spec with imp ambush? Then use that more often, assassination spec with CB (cold blood) and imp kidney shot? But it all depends on the situation at hand, but a rogues greatest advantage in my opinion is the stun-lock, but you may just want to do ultimate burst dps with the ambush, your choice. I hope this helps.

Comentário de Thottbot

Now.. lets see..
How many of you think that the longest simple stun lock is 4 (cheap shot)+3 (kidney shot, or 4second ranked 2 KS)+4 (gouge -5.5 with imp. G) = 11

(if you're higher level, apply your talents, skills such as rank two KS, Mutilate, Seal Fate)

There are lots of different aspects that can affect this, but lets move out of that zone. Let me point you the fact that upon opening with cheap shot, you can use cheap shot again with your target (if he's fully locked and hasn't gotten out of it like warriors) along with this combo.

What my max stun lock time is:
25 seconds.
although I usually leave out one stun lock ability and turn it to an offensive ability.

But thats for stun lock only. And no, there was no use of long CDs used like Vanish, nor preparation. I do have Vigor, although that barely affects the Stun lock time. I'm Assassination specced.

Those of you who say Ambush sucks, you've got much to learn. Ambush is THE only Rogue skill in which you can dish out the maximum damage in a single skill, without any combo points. Possibly if you're lucky, your mutilate would be near this damage.

I'll leave the rest of becoming an expert rogue to your knowledge.

Comentário de Thottbot

Our job as rogues is to deal the most dmg as possible while not taking damage ourselves. The stun allows us to do just that. 4 full seconds to beat on someone before they can beat on me. Once u hit 30, u get kidney shot, which is even more stun time. The only time i will use ambush is on injured clothies, otherwise, CS is the way to go.

Comentário de Thottbot

I love this. CS+SS+gouge+SS+KS+BS=dead enemy

Comentário de Thottbot

Not sure if anyone has posted this yet but... how i personally stun lock which i mainly do against plate wearers is.. I hit them with CS, wait for energy then backstab, then wait for energy again and i do gouge, then SS and kidney shot so i have the 5 sec stun (keep spamming SS and BS), after they are awakened i do gouge (its a lot easier to have duel crippling poisons on, which i suggest) and run away until out of combat and i go into stealth. Once u get close again use CS and repeat above, this usually works and is best against plate wearers cuz they hit so hard u dont wanna take a lot of dmg.

Comentário de Allakhazam

owns in pvp

Comentário de Allakhazam

Does this break on damage?

Comentário de Allakhazam

Is it possible, to cheap shot, vanish, have a thistle tea, and ambush all before the cheap shot drops?
I've not really gone for Cheapshot much at all. I typically go for Ambush if I'm stealthed. Hopefully I'll find how to more usefully apply this skill.
-Schtabby

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