Massive Talent Tree Changes to Druids and Paladins - Class Tuning for WoW: Forever

Posted 13 hr 48 min ago by Squishei

Druid

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Druid Talent Calculator.

Genesis now increases periodic damage and healing by 2/4/6/8/10% (was 1/2/3/4/5%)

Lacerate new talent.

Berserk removed

Leader of the Pack now increases all critical strike (was only melee and ranged)

Primal Bite damage increased by 42/62/77 (was 26/38/59) and talent position changed.

Shifting Power cooldown reduced to 8 sec (was 16 sec)

Bloom new talent.

Naturalist now also reduces the cast of Wild Growth and all damage increased by 2/4/6/8/10% (was 1/2/3/4/5%)

Swiftmend now requires your Regrowth or Rejuventation (was any)

Wild Growth now has a 3 second cast time.

HunterBeast Mastery Tree.

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Pathfinding moved to Row 3 (was Row 2)

Mage

Arcane Blast now stacks 12% Int (was 15%), mana cost increased by 100% (was 175%) and duration of buff increased to 18 sec (was 15 sec.

Arcane Resilience now has 3 ranks, with the 3rd rank providing armor equal to 75% of Intellect.

Arcane Resilience moved to Row 1 (was Row 2) on the talent tree

Missile Barrage moved to Row 2 (was Row 1) on the talent tree

Arcane Focus removed from the talent tree

Accelerant renamed (was Improved Fireball) and now also reduces the cast time of Arcane Wrath

Critical Mass now caps at 6% crit chance at Rank 3 (was 10% at Rank 5)

Improved Fire Blast is on Row 3 (was Row 1)

Incineration now caps at 10% crit chance for Fire Blast, Ice Lance, Arcane Blast, and Scorch at Rank 5 (was 6% at Rank 3)

Arctic Reach now also increases Ice Lance range.

Ice Barrier now increases Frost damage done by 15% (was 3%). While shielded damage increased by an additional 5% (was 3%)

Winter's Chill damage of next Cone of Cold increased by 20% (was 5%)

Ice Lance now deals 300% bonus damage to frozen targets (was 200%), but has an 8 second cooldown.

Precision renamed (was Elemental Precision) and now increases all hit chance (was only select spells)

PaladinPaladin Talent tree

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Boundless Light new talent.

Divine Precision max ranks reduced to 2 with max rank increasing hit chance of Holy spells by 8% (was 18%), but now reduces Silence duration by 20%.

Holy Power now increases critical strike healing bonus (was chance) by 10/20/30/40/50%

Improved Seals now scales to Rank 5 at 15% (was Rank 3 at 9%)

Light's Vigil no longer triggers on an enemy.

Oath of Light new talent.

Reverence now has 2 max ranks (was 3) but max rank mana regeneration remains at 30%.

Spiritual Focus now has 5 max ranks (was 2) and caps at 70% chance.

Righteous Fury is now learned at level 10 (was 16).

Holy Shield damage reduced by 32%, mana cost reduced to 100 (was 150), and new flag added "Take Harmful Spell".

Improved Righteous Fury damage taken reduced by 3/6/9% (was 2/4/6%)

Iron Creed max ranks reduced by 3 (was 5) and max rank threat increase is 30% (was 15%), but damage taken reduced to 6% (was 10%)

Sacred Duty no longer increases stamina, but reduces the duration of Forbearance by 10 seconds at max rank.

Shield Specialization max ranks reduced to 2 (was 3) for same values at max rank.

Shieldsworn new talent

Stoicism new talent

Swift Judgement new effect

Templar's Bulwark can now be magic dispelled

Champion of the Light now has 5 max ranks (was 3) and spell damage remains the same at max rank, but now reduces cast time of Hammer of Wrath by 1 sec

Conviction now has 3 max ranks (was 5) and affects all spells by 6% at max rank (was 5%)

removed.

Turn Evil new ability.

Two-Handed Weapon Specialization now increases physical damage done (was all damage) and also reduces threat by 20% at max rank.

Unsealed Wrath new name (was Unsealed Wrath) and new effect.

Vindication no longer increases your attack power.

Priest

Shadow Word: Death deals 30% backlash damage (was 10%)

Holy Binding new talent.

Warlock

Improved Drains now increases mana drained by Drain Mana (instead of affecting Wrack)

Warrior

Revenge now scales with 25% attack power at all ranks.

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Comments

Comment by Denarian

As a Feral honestly I hate it that our capstone - Berserk was replaced with stupid Shifting Power.

Comment by jaeraket

Wild Growth with a 3 second cast? That is crazy, I dont think it was ever more than 1.5seconds in retail so this is absolutely bonkers.

Comment by Dimsumumum

They did it! They fixed Paladin, for the most part.

Comment by Kleik

Where are rogue changes what is going on what are we doing, increase apm cuz its 4 seconds and waiting for energy, is that how we want class to be played? sheesh

Comment by nitowa

Prot pala looking good now. Still worried if they ever get crush immune but now they seem like they will be able to build threat even while not being the ccurrent target.

Rdruid bloom looks absolutely nuts, especially if it works with downranking.

Looking forward to the final pass in the other classes.

Comment by norakam

What did shadow do to deserve this random slap lol

Comment by ZeroEdgeir

Everyone who assumes the limited info presented here is the whole picture, are the very problem with the community at large. And the very people that the devs called out on their own Livestream.

Datamining is not always accurate, misses much of the whole picture, and lacks context of the changes.

Comment by Leafcast

Resto Druid just got destroyed along with my excitement to play Wow Forever.... removing the very few things that made resto druid UNIQUE (Instant cast AoE hot, Reduced GCD) turns us into a bargain bin priest. RIP

Comment by Falsify

BUFF ELE

20yrd range on f(lame) shock but lava burst 30yrd. make it make sense!

Comment by MDillon11C

Pouring one out for all my druid mains out there RIP

Comment by Elunario

When Blizzard takes away Berserk from druids they should also nerf the hunter's fear animal and the warlock fear.

Berserk was the counter for these, removing it will cause imbalance in the PvP system.

Comment by Asubatsu

Huge mistake making Boomkin buff and Feral buff the same. Boomkin already fighting to try and be above or near the middle ground for ranged DPS, the only caveat is that feral seems to have been a bit nerfed here too.

Comment by Faelystiri

Something seems a little off with the before and after for the Hunter Talent Tree photos

Comment by Marvelouscz

Hello. I wanted to play a Restoration Druid and was really looking forward to it.

A major drawback of the Druid was the cost of its healing spells. They are significantly more expensive than those of other healers. Another disadvantage was the lack of a fast heal (a 1.5-second cast time), which all other healers possess.

On the plus side, the Druid was unique: it had a reduced Global Cooldown on several of its iconic spells, as well as a periodic heal that affected the entire party. It was an instant-cast spell, though quite expensive. Another advantage was the instant heal provided by Swiftmend, which didn't consume existing Heal-over-Time effects. It wasn't overpowered, given its 15-second cooldown.

Now, the Restoration Druid has lost all of its unique and fun advantages, while its disadvantages remain unchanged.

Consequently, I no longer want to play a Restoration Druid. It feels boring, and it is clearly the weakest healer in the game right now.

I am very sad and disappointed. :(

Comment by Notanorc934

As a Boomy main this is so disheartening. Taking away the spell crit we bring and making it general for both balance and feral gives no reason to bring a balance Druid now. I’m not asking or expecting to top the meters, but at least give raids a unique reason to bring us.

Comment by vyamont

cant see improved seal of fury anywhere anymore

keep an eye out for patch notes , it may have been shifted to a learnable baseline ability , seals shouldnt be talent locked for the most part it would kinda kill paladin utility

Comment by DSrlaagyoenr

Wait, hahaha. So Leader of the Pack is now baseline just a better version of moonkin aura, giving more crit to EVERYBODY, not just spellcasters. Moon$%^&s go home I guess.

If you look at the calculator it shows Moonkin Aura is also just 3% for all & is no longer spell power. Dont just read what is int he article, they missed multiple things. Check the calculators yourself to really see whats going on.

Comment by GrulNuk

Ele shamoons once again nothing!

Comment by Kawek

So they decided to bring all the bs resto druid has got now in retail, like cast time to WG (3 seconds even, talk about adding salt to the wound) and SM requiring HoT ? :O
Also the new Bloom talent doesn't make any sense unless it works with pandemic mechanic (refresh below some time treshhold) and SM HoT consumption, which i don't think it will.

I was really looking forward to play resto druid, but now i am just devastated by those changes and not sure if i want to touch Forever at all. :(
It's just so wrong... when some thing starts to feel fun gameplay wise it gets axed immediately. :(
Come on...

Comment by Lenrisia

holy %^&* the feral changes are completely awful, the changes to line 1 is a choice between dog #$%^ and dog #$%^, who ever is in charge of druid needs to actually talk to feral players

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