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kinark
as far as enchanting goes i have these rules whenever i disenchant for a group, first shard goes to me and all others are free rolls
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There's not rule written in this game that shows where procs from elixir mastery go to. Secondly, you are trying to argue ownership without a clearly defined meaning of what creates property and what makes a property a persons. Without having that defined clearly, you are not going to be able to say who owns what in any type of deal.
So to address the alchemy situation-
Only an obligation created by the two parties would be binding. If the first party (the buyer) does not specify what to do with the procs from Elixir/potion/transmutation mastery, then there is
no obligation
in the deal for the second party (the alchemist) to provide it. If however the procs from Elixir/potion/transmutation mastery are included in the original deal (whereby the first party pays for them at a given rate, the second party gives them to the first party at no charge, or the second party is the understood recipient of the procs), then the second party must provide procs to the specified recipient in accordance to the deal that was made.
And a smart alchemist/business person will keep record of the deal made so if he/she is reported to a GM, a record of the deal can be presented.
How the hell can you be reported for not giving up an item that was the result of a proc of your own damn profession? I am so sick of the crybaby who claims they were cheated them out of something that didnt belong to them to begin with. Damn kids think everything is theirs.
You didn't read what that said, did you? :o
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Booterang
The only two professions that really are under contention here are alchemy and enchanting. The reason why enchanters distribute shards at the end of an instances is for this reason:
All the items that are DE'ed would normally have been greeded. Under normal logic, an item would just greeded to a player, who would then ask the enchanter to DE it for him.
However, WoW operates under the premise of BoP items, meaning that th
e winner of the greed roll allows the enchanter to disenchant his item then give it to him otherwise he would not be able to have it disenchanted at all.
If I vendor an item from a heroic, that is still usually 3-12g for myself, and therefore it makes no sense at all that the enchanter would be entitled to these items.
As for alchemist procs, they rightly belong to the buyer.
The whole reason
for a profession crafting items is for a tip, all the results of the mats given should be given back to the buyer regardless. If I know that my mat procs will not be given to me, I might as well go to a trasmutation specced alchemist, it makes no difference to me.
It's like an inscriptor refusing to give back the nobles cards that they were supposed to give the buyer just because they are a rare proc.
All of this contention is just caused by greed. The rules of WoW commerce all have logic underlying them.
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fiote
Weird discussion... See, you're in your H with a pug. Then a blue/purple BoP drops from a boss and
no one
needs it (for a gear upgrade).
OPTION #1
Everyone greed. The game make the rolls. You, as a chanter, got a 20% chance of getting (i.e) 50g from it, since you can DE the blue. Everyone else (non-chanters) got a 20% chance of getting (i.e) 8g from it, since they will trash-vendor it.
OPTION #2
You let everyone knows that you can DE. Everyone pass and you need it. You DE it and got the 50g-item. Everyone rolls and everyone got a 20% chance of getting the 50g.
YOU GOT THE SAME F* 20% CHANCE
to get your 50g.
Like, for god's sake,
WHY
woundnt you do it? If you dont call it selfish, i dont know what selfish means anymore. Its about being KIND, you will lose NOTHING doing it. Okay, they
could
tip for it (its about kindness again).
But dude... do your part =)
(btw, 20% 'cause i'm thinkin about 5man H)
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ZoraLink
As an alchemist, I generally keep my procs. Why? Because roughly half the people refuse to tip me afterwards. If someone tips me well (or is just nice about it, even if it's a measly tip), I'll give them the procs.
The procs I keep however, I generally end up giving away in raids to people who say they don't have a flask. I almost NEVER sell flasks of my own on the AH, so I don't really profit from it.
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animastr
I'm contemplating dropping my Enchanting, not because of this whole shard issue (I don't have a problem /roll for shards, any of that junk). Maybe it's just my server, but I offer my services in trade (I don't charge set amounts, but I take whatever tip people leave). For +40 stam to bracers (laugh, but I don't know how to link spells in here), I get a 2g tip if I get anything. After having to buy the majority of my mats (which have never been cheap, btw), all the greens I've had to DE, AND the shards for the forumlas, I am making a ROUGH estimate that I'm still down 2k gold.
If I charge a set amount for doing enchants, I know I'll never get business, with all of the other enchanters using the same system I'm currently using (and likely getting the same crap tips), making it pretty much useless.
It's to the point where I doubt I'll ever make a profit off of it, and am thinking I should just cut my losses. I like helping people, but isn't the point of professions to help at least suppliment your pocketbook?
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Origenz
Allow me to preface my statement by saying that I am an Alchemist who is an Elixer Master. My personal way of handeling things is that any additional procs I recieve, are yours, so long as you provide me the mats. That aside, the only one with an intitlement complex is the forum author. Wow is in essence an ecconomy just like anything else. Enchanters, Alchemists and the like level their professions for varying reasons, not the least of which is to make money. So longs as the terms of service is established before the transaction, there is no set golden rule for how extra procs are handled on things Elixer Mastery. The buyer is no more intitled to the procs than the producer, it is all up for grabs. The free market will dictate that those who are more generous will get more repeat customers, I know I do :) I do sympathize with the frustration those feel with not being able to find someone to help them in a manner that they desire. Thats part of an MMORG however, seeing as much of your World of Warcraft experience is directly related to the input of others. I hope that you find others like myself that are willing to offer you the goods you desire.
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Well - Im an X-Muter, and anytime i get additionals, i give them to the person who needed something made. This used to happen Quite often with Primal Mights - but then again, people Look for X-Muters when needed so they get a Chance at multiples.
to the OP - you must play on a rude server. I have Never run into any of those issues in pugs or (more obviously) in my guild.
Additionally - I really see the DEing issue to really matter with high level mats, in which case, if it's a shard role at the end of the run, remember to remind people.
If it's a case of, I am rolling "Need" on all items cause I DE, then I say have fun, and join a different group.
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