Low level rogues are fine, learn to play...

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While I am perfectly aware of the situation regarding Rogues in the lower brackets, that's a pretty bad example. None of the other Rogues in that screenshot have anything close to that Rogue's score, which suggests that is infact the gear/skill of that Rogue that is the deciding factor, not the class.

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Thats because they were lvl 12 and 14 with less then 400 hp

And what evidence (apart from your word, which is obviously going to be under the influence of your agenda ) is there that this was not the normal case, that this Mcgowan was not the only character at a (relativly) high level?

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And that proves....?That is exactly my point. Your screenshot and topic prove nothing. Anyone who has experienced Rogues in low level BGs knows they are overpowered already, this topic does nothing for them. However, this topic will also have no affect on anyone who does not already know that Rogues are overpowered, because the screenshot is such a bad example to use.Thats because they were lvl 12 and 14 with less then 400 hp

And what evidence (apart from your word, which is obviously going to be under the influence of your agenda ) is there that this was not the normal case, that this Mcgowan was not the only character at a (relativly) high level?

Please read the first post on this

None of the other classes have received talents that boost a BURST move by 85% by 29.Congratulations on completely and utterly missing the point, Bawkxy. Well done, indeed.

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You asked for evidence, i gave you evidence, sorry if you cloak your sarcasm so well that people can't figure it out.

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You asked for evidence, i gave you evidence, sorry if you cloak your sarcasm so well that people can't figure it out.You do not seem to understand. I have no need of evidence in regards to the performance of Rogues in low level BGs, and have not had need of it for quite a while now.

My point is this;

1) The OP is claiming that Rogues are OP in low level BGs. (This is something I agree with, and had you read my posts more carefully, you would have known this)

2) The OP brings forth this screenshot as evidence of his/her point (that of Rogues being OP in low level BGs)

3) This is where I come in. I point out the flaws in his/her evidence. For specific details, please see my earlier posts.

4) When I ask "what evidence is there" I am referring to within his/her screenshot, as in "What evidence is there in your screenshot that Rogues are OP in low level BGs?".

I have never questioned the idea of Rogues being OP in low level BGs in this topic, I have mearly pointed out that the OP's screenshot is useless as evidence as to the "OPness" of Rogues as
- If someone knows Rogues are OP already it will not change their opinion
- It does not provide enough evidence to sway anyone who does not think Rogues are OP (for whatever reason) who has even the smallest skill in critical thinking.

LOOK AT ALL THEM WORDS GODDAMN

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Guys, the problem is not particular level or gear. I've logged maybe 35 hours of PvP in the bottom 4 brackets since the patch hit, (on 4 diffrent classes: ele shaman, ret pally, disc priest and prot warrior)and I've noticed that rogues one-shot (maybe 2 shot in the higher brackets) any class/gear combo, (yes, even Deathknights!) and even people HIGHER then the rogue's level, with the exception of maybe a well geared prot pally/warrior/bear druid.

I can understand having to deal with very geared and very skilled players, but essentially what is happening here is that people die before they can even fight back. Every time one of these cheap, sneaky &*!@ers kills me, its within one/two GCDs of them initiating combat. I can't even fight back. Sometimes it gets so bad that the rogues stealth behind our graveyard, and I get killed back to back to back every time maybe 4-5 seconds after i rez.

Once again, I ask you, how is something that kills you EVERY. GODDAMN. TIME. under TWO GCD's fair and balanced?

(it takes one gcd to realize you are being attacked, maybe if your skilled you can turn around, and by the second one, when the rogue hits eviscerate, you're already dead.)

Imho, Ambush should be changed where the damage is reduced if used against a player instead of a npc. The dmg needs to be freakin' halved!

Low level rogue PvP: about as "fair" and "balanced" as FOX news. Okay, that is so my sig now.

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I agree with the OP, rogues are fine. The OP is being sarcastic.if you are running solo in a bg, expect to be ambushed and learn from your mistake. STAY WITH THE PACKAh yes, stay with the middle farming pack and achive nothing. Wonderful. Also note that "staying with the pack" does nothing to actually prevent you being one-shotted, and Rogues can easily get away, either if your "pack" is distracted, or via the use of Sprint/Vanish.if you are getting graveyard camped by a rogue STOP RESSING, and hopefully you'll learn from your mistake.Really? "hopefully you'll learn from your mistake"? "If you keep getting killed, stop trying! It's your fault, really!"if you are getting 1 shotted with the best gear without chants then get some chants or stop complaining, I can pretty much assure you if you are getting 1 shotted with the best possible gear, that rogue has fully given himself the best opportunity to 1 shot uI too, think that a person should spend time and money before entering a BG bracket that they will only be in for a few days max, to aquire the "best" gear. This is because I don't live in the real world and have cheese for a brain.if you are on an alt the first thing you should get knowing rogues are most likely going to make your experience.... "challenging" is Alliance or Horde if nothing else it gives you a chance to do something.Really now? A CC removing trinket to stop Ambush? Really?

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if you are running solo in a bg, expect to be ambushed and learn from your mistake. STAY WITH THE PACKAh yes, stay with the middle farming pack and achive nothing. Wonderful. Also note that "staying with the pack" does nothing to actually prevent you being one-shotted, and Rogues can easily get away, either if your "pack" is distracted, or via the use of Sprint/Vanish.
It seems you have hardly played a rogue before, it is hard to get into the middle of a pack and one shot someone unscathed, vanish is on a 3 minute cd (2minutes if talented but not advised until you're over 33 as talents like waylay, opportunity, hemo and find weaknesses > reducing the cd by 1 minute ) and people WILL STUN/SLOW/CC YOU. I advise you to actually roll a rogue before you give false information.

if you are getting graveyard camped by a rogue STOP RESSING, and hopefully you'll learn from your mistake.Really? "hopefully you'll learn from your mistake"? "If you keep getting killed, stop trying! It's your fault, really!"

Well, wait until a reasonably large group forms at the graveyard, then res with them and STICK WITH THEM.

if you are getting 1 shotted with the best gear without chants then get some chants or stop complaining, I can pretty much assure you if you are getting 1 shotted with the best possible gear, that rogue has fully given himself the best opportunity to 1 shot u
I too, think that a person should spend time and money before entering a BG bracket that they will only be in for a few days max, to aquire the "best" gear. This is because I don't live in the real world and have cheese for a brain.

Of course, everyone has cheese for a brain because they're not as smart as you, Mr.Deepthought, Einstein the second. If you actually used your intelligence, although i doubt you have any, to analyze your statement, you'll realize that it was incredibly idiotic.
So everyone that has a twink doesn't live in the real world, and also have cheese for brains because they worked out that having better gear means that killing people makes life in a bg easier.
Well, Mr.Deepthought, Einstein the second, where do YOU live?

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It seems you have hardly played a rogue beforeFalse, but lets move on.it is hard to get into the middle of a pack and one shot someone unscathedSee above, see previous post for additional context. Additional reading.vanish is on a 3 minute cd (2minutes if talented but not advised until you're over 33 as talents like waylay, opportunity, hemo and find weaknesses > reducing the cd by 1 minute )Hmm yes "advised", that wonderful weasel word. Hmmm. Also Waylay? My rogue (in the level bracket being discussed BTW) can kill someone in 2 GCDs. I don't need a slow on them.and people WILL STUN/SLOW/CC YOUReading comprehensionif your "pack" is distractedthen they won't notice and/or will have blown those stuns/slows/ccs on their current targets.I advise you to actually roll a rogue before you give false information.See above.
Well, wait until a reasonably large group forms at the graveyard, then res with them and STICK WITH THEM.What a completely useless point.
tonny1: Do A.
Me: No, A is stupid.
Bawkxy: Do B.
You see my point here? I'm talking about A. B might or might not be a good idea, it doesn't matter, because it isn't relevent.Of course, everyone has cheese for a brain because they're not as smart as you, Mr.Deepthought, Einstein the second. This, BUT UNIRONICALLY.So everyone that has a twink doesn't live in the real world, and also have cheese for brains because they worked out that having better gear means that killing people makes life in a bg easier.Check your premises, "better gear" =/= "best gear with enchants".

first I never said the pack was stuck in the middle of the battlefield you are assuming it's WSG... I just suggested they stay with a group, and usually a rogue doesn't generally shadowstep into a group of people to single out anyone unless they are being funny, but again staying with a pack increases your chance of survival. In PvP, groups are doing 1 of 3 things.

Either;
1) Engaged in combat, in which case they will be distracted and can't help you against a Rogue (they can't help you at all if you are one shot, but anyway).
2) Moving to combat, like attacking a node or a flag room. In this case it is entirely likely that you will get sapped and they will move on by themselves. If not, there is nothing stopping them from following you till 1) occurs and then striking.
3) Waiting around. In a group of 2, nothing stops a sap on your teammate unless one of you catch them (but this is true regarding all Rogue PvP openers, yet here we are), at which point you are easy pray. In defending groups of 3 or more, true, a Rogue probably won't attempt to kill you unless they're sure they can escape, but that's not guaranteed to not be the case.

next if you are getting GY camped it's probably because you are the only one ressing at the time, and if that's the case STOP RESSING"GY camping" implys that you are getting directly after ressing more than once, but that means you are the only player dying on your team or else there would be someone at the GY to help you, at which point you are probably of more use to your team as a distraction for the Rogue, due to the damage this keeps off your teammates.

next we can agree that you can't enter a 30-39 bracket wearing your 10-19 gear my rogue in the 40's bracket could easily take out 5-6k hp off in the initial burst, if you aren't a mage or priest and shielding yourself you're pretty much done for. anyone else is either dead or strictly defensive at that point I never denied that a player should try to keep his/her gear "current". I did deny, however, that a player should have to enter a BG in "the best gear with enchants" to stand a chance against a Rogue.

and yes the trinket will help, if you are sapped 9 out of 10 times the rogue is going to wait for his energy to build back up to premed-shadowstep and then ambush, trinketing out gives you a second to become more offensive than just bait. never said it stopped ambush just helps you to aoe to unstealth him possiblyWhy would a Rogue wait in AoE range to Ambush when they have Shadowstep? In most cases I don't even bother sapping, as my target is either defending or in combat already.

Low level rogues are fine, learn to play...

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