Holy Priests Need Major PVP Help

Publicado por SeaOfHoles

Anyone else feel the same way?

It's HELL being a Holy Priest in PVP. EVERYONE has multiple somethings to shut me down between stuns, snares, silence, fears, interrupts and cyclones. I rely on my core ability ... healing. And I can't do that. What do I have to defend my self? Oh yea, 30 second Fear.

2 of my core abilities are useless in PVP. Fade and Shackle.

Paladins and Druids routinely outheal not only me, but ALL Priests in the BGs. Why should a Druid be a 10 on the survivability scale and a Holy Priest be a 1?

Even with +1500 healing and ALL the interruption talents, I can't even come close to keeping up with the damage of most classes, let alone Warriors, Rogues, Hunters and Warlocks.

I am not asking to be able to beat these people. My offense is VERY limited, therefore, I should IMHO have much better defensive skills to balance that. It's to the point I may as well play anything other than Priest.

And I don't want to hear crap about Discipline. Other classes have 3 viable PVP specs.

Please. Don't become DAOC. That was poor PVP. Way too much CC and damage was dealt way to fast. It was a twitch fest.

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Publicado por bwirum

3 specs, ele shammys, feral droods

Huh? Last I checked, though they're under-represented, those two can be viable.

True. At least in battlegrounds and non-2vs2 arenas.

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Publicado por oddbrown

I was able to painfully PvP my way towards my S2 healer mace in a standard PvE holy spec, with the honour blues and not much else.
Did I get pwned a lot? Yes.
Was it enjoyable? Actually, sometimes, yes.

As others have said, you can PvP as holy, but you need to do some things right.

Never go 1v1 (stay with the pack)
Use your underpowered CC wisely
Try to hang around with people who like heals, so are willing to defend you
Don't expect to beat mele, just try to heal through them (they often forget to interrupt)
Use occasional shadow spells to throw interrupters off
Use your shadowfiend to confuse your enemies as well as getting mana back
Use line-of-sight to frustrate ranged enemies

All of this should help you a little more in BGs.
I can heal through an arms warrior's dps in the honour blues.

In fact, if you have a rogue friend all you need to do is flash heal and renew yourself, use PoM and PW:S and they will be so busy trying to pwn you that your DPS friend can often kill them instead.

Try using yourself as bait for mele enemies. It's great fun seeing them get all surprised and scared when they get jumped by your rogue buddy after attacking you, and you are left to heal yourself up.

PvP is about the unpredictability of things. Get to know your enemies. Duel friends of different DPS classes to learn how they will try to kill you. Then nothing is too unpredictable and you can learn how to outheal the DPS coming your way.

N.B. It is highly unusual to cast Greater Heal in a BG. It takes too long and doesn't heal for enough. In PvP it's all about hps not hpm so try to focus on healing output. HoT everywhere. PoM yourself regularly. Try to use PW:S to your best advantage too.
Don't stand still for too long, and remember to dispell and mana burn if you can do things offensively.

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Publicado por Lightrain

Wow.... Some good advice, and some bad advice....

IMO, holy sucks for pvp. Blessed resilience isn't that great when you have a debuff lowering your heals by 50% from a warrior or rogue. Focused Will > Blessed Resilience any day of the week reguardless of gear level. On top of that, you add Pain Suppression to it and your survivability lasts thru a few counters so you can possibly heal yourself or others.

Otherwise, welcome to the healing world. Learn to fake cast and try to bait all the interupts(kick/feral charge/pummel/earth shock) so you can hopefully get some actual healing in. This is tough to guage when to stop casting as you will have latency issues as far as how far other toons are from you.

If you have under 300 resil, you will die very fast, against any opponent with pvp gear reguardless of your spec, but when I didn't have gear, disc was way better for keeping myself alive than holy. Pain suppression is a must for pvp, and is why they gave it to the only healer class with no real armor bonus(shield/bear).

Mana burn is the only way to get a druid to make you sacrifice cast time on shadow spells instead of heals. He's LOLing in vent, while waiting to shift into bear/cat and /smile /pat you. Maybe it's just my battle group, but I'm lucky if I can get more than 3-4 mana burns off on a druid in a 10 minute fight... Mana burn is most useful against a pally or shaman, and mana burn wars with another priest are the worst.

Last but not least, Merciless Gladiator's Mooncloth Gloves is not worth it when you can get Brutal Gladiator's Mooncloth Gloves and save the honor for other pieces of gear you can't get with your 1300 rated arena team from the vendor. If you suck in arena with your gear level, get honor pieces that you need a rating for from the brutal vendor, and get brutal gear that doesn't require the personal rating from the arena vendor. Otherwise you are buying stuff twice instead of getting alternatives, and buying everything once, not wasting your 4-6 weeks of point spending in arena, or the 2-5 days of grinding honor in BGs that could be spent on something else. Shoulders are the ones you probably won't replace, ever. But will be the smallest upgrade to your PVP blue set.

Gearing order to maximize your points.
PVP blue- All of it if you can. If not, gloves, shoulders, and chest are main pieces. Spending gold is way cheaper than spending honor.

S2- In order

WEAPON
PVP medalion(blue quality)
Head
Legs or chest. Legs will get you more healing as you WILL(YES, DO IT YOU LAZY S*B) enchnt it with golden spellthread, but you will replace it before your chest.
Shoulders(If you have pvp blue, forgo shoulders and run dual set bonuses for more resilience
Guardian's belt(doesn't require rating and takes honor, so I put it here)
Bracers
Boots
neck/rings-Your choice depending on upgrade size

S4-

Gloves(You will get this way before you get all your off pieces, so don't waste your honor)
Offhand
Wand
Legs

If you have a good arena partner that carries you quite well and have points and rating for chest or head, get your highest possible rating required piece first. But if you are struggling at 1500 or less, do it this way.

Run kara weekly, and get your badge cloak(Kharma's Shroud of Hope).

That is the end of my gearing tutorial. =)

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Publicado por Lightrain

Well, to each their own I guess. Maybe I survived longer since when a dps jumped me, I made sure I got Pain suppression was up asap so I would last longer(at least in arena). You might try running with a MM hunter for a while, since the whole concept of that team is cc and outlast in 2v2.

For BG's, all I can say is try to stay out of LoS. Don't stand in the middle of nowhere. You can heal from behind terrain and trees. That's the easiest way I was ever able to stay alive. Walls, fences, and buildings are different tho.

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