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Comentario de TheStatman

New version of Elder Charm of Good Fortune, Runas del destino mogu/Runas del destino mogu replaces Talismanes ancestrales de buena fortuna/Talismanes ancestrales de buena fortuna as of 5.2.

These are the bonus roll currency for 5.2 raid encounters (Throne of Thunder bosses, and the world bosses Nalak the Storm Lord, and Oondasta).
Cap is 10 20, ~~and still only 3 a week~~. ~~except for the~~ Rare chance to get some from Lei Shen's Burial Trove. Purchasable on the Timeless Isle.

Comentario de perculia

For Patch 5.2:

While Charms won’t be converted, Talismán inferior de buena fortuna will no longer be used to purchase Talismán ancestral de buena fortuna in patch 5.2. Instead Talismán inferior de buena fortuna will purchase Runa del destino mogu. They’ll be purchasable in the same way; once a week, 50 Talismán inferior de buena fortuna can be converted to 3 Runa del destino mogu via a quest in your faction’s Shrine. Runa del destino mogu will be usable for bonus rolls on 5.2 raid and world bosses only. Talismán ancestral de buena fortuna will continue to be used for bonus rolls on 5.0 raids and world bosses, and will now be acquired as item drops by killing enemies in the new 5.2 Thundering Isle outdoor zone.

This currency is getting some changes in 5.4:

You can't get it from Runas del destino mogu anymore, that quest is going away.
You can get them on the Isla Intemporal for 0 Moneda intemporal, which doesn't take a lot of time to farm. (now hotfixed)
You can now get battle pets from bonus rolls in Solio del Trueno, so if you like pets, you should still keep some of these coins.
Solio del Trueno pets: Hijo de Animus from Animus oscuro, Arenizo viviente from Council, Prole de Ji Kun from Ji Kun, Fluido viviente from Primordius LFR, Horror viscoso from Primordius Normal and Heroic, Cuernoatroz pigmeo from Horridonte.

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Comentario de 1091366

3 of these are purchasable in the same way as "Elder Charm of Good Fortune" by turning in 90 "Lesser Charm of Good Fortune" to the NPC (Elder Lin) at Shrine of sever stars (for alliance players)..

Comentario de 1105442

If you already have the quest for Elder Charms of Good Fortune from before the patch, you have to abandon that quest to get the new quest to get the Mogu Runes.

Comentario de esXXI

Rarely you can loot these in the Troves of The Thunder King scenario. Not sure whether it's from the large brown chests or from the golden chests after your timer runs out. Hopefully someone can confirm which after more runs have been done.

Comentario de 1106334

Im unable to get this quest on one of my characters. I don't have the previous version and I haven't turned it in.

I was able to get it on my alt though...

Comentario de Vifor

You can use those to roll for bonus loot multiple time on same week on same boss.
I hope it helps.

Comentario de addicted2

so, now, on a new 90.. i cannot get any tokens to roll with in the 5.0 raids, until i do the thunder isle dailies? i need better gear than i have just to survive those.. any other ways to get the older runes of fate?

Comentario de Apollion

Can one get a Thunderforged item through the use of one of these coins?

Comentario de SaveToTheADrive

Apparently my fate is to receive 25 gold. A lot.

Comentario de 1106169

While most ppl seem to agree that the drop rate for items as against just gold is quite low, this is not always the case.

Yesterday in 1 run of each of La carga de la brigada Zandalari and Abismo de la Desidia I acquired 5 items, 2 from drops and the others from rolls. They were Togas de ráfagas estáticas, Manteo Brilloconcha, Caduceo de condición pura de Giorgio and http://www.wowhead.com/item=95712. The 5th item I DE'd as it was either not an upgrade or was a duplicate of a drop

I could only roll 4 times because that was all the coins I had, and 4 items were an upgrade.

Maybe there is now a better drop rate from Bosses and coins. Maybe I was just very lucky. We wait and see

I checked and the 5th item was Fragmento de colmillo de Horridonte

Comentario de Baddogg117

how do you use? Just killed Galleon and wasn't ask if I wanted to roll?

Comentario de 906593

Is it possible to get 4 of these from the weekly somehow? I have 7 of these, two weeks at 90, and zero thunder/world bosses killed on this particular alt. It's rather baffling.

Comentario de Eillesthis

You now only need 50 Lesser Charm of Good Fortune, down from 90, for Runas del destino mogu/Runas del destino mogu.

Comentario de Cymre

I was surprised to find one in Lei Shen's Burial Trove (looted at the end of the Troves of The Thunder King scenario) using one of the Burial Trove Keys I collected. This doesn't appear to happen too frequently though as I have run this scenario many, many times.

Comentario de Quackie

Don't make the mistake I did - I had 9 and turned in the quest. They stack at 10 and you will only receive 1. I've been busy with school and haven't had any time to raid, but I would log on and do the single weekly quest for the runes. If you get up to 8 or 9, raid and spend 1 or 2 before turning in the quest again. I hope other people can learn from my mistake.

Comentario de IHazMourne

Just to let everybody know if you kill a boss on heroic then your raid leader changes it to normal before you use your coin you wont get loot, gold or even lose a coin. At least this is the case with H Jin'rohk, don't bother asking a GM to do something about it because since it didn't use a coin they are apparently "Unable to randomize loot you would have gotten"

Comentario de Pzypro

Oddly enough, I can't google or seem to find this info anywhere...

Can anyone confirm that you can receive battle pets/mounts and secrets of the empire/titan runestones from appropriate bonus rolls? (whether mogu runes of fate or elder charms of good fortune). I'm not sure I ever got any non-gear items from said bonus rolls.

Comentario de 1129123

Wondering what's the deal if you get a chance to roll when you have already looted a boss? Anyone? I don't wanna risk a coin in doing so lol

Comentario de Neza1337

If you already are locked for a raid, can you still run the raid and use your rune of fate to get more loot?
Might be a nooby / dumb question, but i'd be glad if i got an answer :) Thx.

Comentario de 830214

i used 8 in TOT raid finder and did'nt get any loot

Comentario de 174727

I may be alone in this, but I feel like after you get the 3 from the quest that you should be able to turn in 50 more lessers for 1 rune. I have 550 lesser charms that aren't getting used, and now that they're dropped from almost everything it's not hard to come across 50 a week. 14 bosses a week and only 3 runes makes it hard to decide which ones to bonus roll for, then factoring in you dont always get loot makes it frustrating to say the least.

Comentario de 1143163

Just got 1x Mogu Rune of Fate from a chest in Troves of the Thunder King, the ones you open with a Burial Trove Key.

Comentario de 1135007

got so much of these i got a fatality

Comentario de Maelchav

Any idea what the next iteration of this will be, for Siege of Orgrimmar?

Comentario de LostDrewid

These require a ridiculous amount of farming on the Timeless Isle now that 5.4 has dropped. 2500 Moneda intemporal each, which translates to a minimum of 25 large elites or a hundred or more smaller mobs. 0 Moneda intemporal *each* mind you, not even a set of three. So to get just one week's worth, it takes 75 to 300 mobs, give or take. More, that's 0 Moneda intemporal less to spend on gear on the Isle. 1H weapons barely cost more than that.

Exceptionally disappointed in Blizzard for this. Greater Charms were easy enough to acquire in 5.2, but these will be in no way as easy to acquire now in 5.4.

Thankfully, the community spoke and were heard. As Perculia noted below Bashiok announced that the price will be dropping; and as Pointblank noted , the price per Rune is indeed 0 Moneda intemporal. Just went to confirm it myself on live servers, since it's not yet listed in hotfixes.

I'm still not convinced that's the *right* price for the amount of effort Mogu Runes of Fate deserve, but it's a damn sight nicer than 2500 each. I do not concur with Bashiok's commentary that we don't *need* the Runes of Fate. Not because none of us actually need the coins to begin with , but because the Isle lets us skip right to Orgrimmar. I'm sorry, maybe I'm weird, but I was actually looking forward to gearing my alts for Throne of Thunder. I like the instance, it was fun, and it would have been fun to be a different class in ToT than just Druid. Ah well. I'll take the victory we have.

ETA: Okay, so, it's been over a week on the Isle, and we've all gotten to know the worth of Timeless Coins a little better. Is a thousand coins a lot? No, not particularly. But look at it this way. Who most *needs* Mogu Runes of Fate? A fresh 90 -- because face it, you still need to run ToT to gear up before you can go to Orgrimmar. Even if you manage to hit the minimum gear requirements for Orgrimmar on Raid Finder, you're not likely to contribute meaningfully to the group at that level. {Provided you care about contributing meaningfully, which personally I do.} So Throne of Thunder is still a required step for the new 90, no matter which difficulty of raid you plan to join. So the next question: who most needs Timeless Coins? Oh right, that new 90, because on top of everything else you might need to spend coins on, there's also the 0 Moneda intemporal price tag on a weapon . Not to mention how important getting 0 Moneda intemporal is for the trinket.

I just got my Paladin to 90. Because he's a blacksmith, I still needed to go to the Isle of Thunder to pick up the Lightning Ingot plans. While there, for no real reason than because I could, I grabbed a Key to the Treasure Trove. One very short run later, I had 9 Talismán ancestral de buena fortuna, and the only reason I didn't have a full 20 was because the last two were in a single chest, preventing me from looting them. It cost me *nothing* but time to get those coins, and precious little at that. Those same 0 Runa del destino mogu would take me one to two nights to farm, and would leave me without a new sword. There is a huge discrepancy between earning Talismán ancestral de buena fortuna and Runa del destino mogu. I don't care how quick it is to farm 0 Moneda intemporal, it's specifically hurting the characters who can afford it least.

Comentario de Virus2001

You can buy them from Mistweaver Ai on Timeless Isle for 1,000 Timeless Coins

Comentario de 1145884

Is it even possible anymore to get these runes since patch 5.4?

Comentario de MrTruthSayer

Do not forget that the drop rate of items have been increased from the ToT raid. So adding these runes will greatly increase your chances of getting more gear.

Comentario de BananaBomb

As of patch 5.4, is it possible to get Secretos del imperio from these bonus rolls of the Mogu Rune of Fate ?

Comentario de Pinkpaw

I have a question about LFR Throne of Thunder, can anyone confirm this. I did LFR, and i spent extra rolls. Then i went back cus i wanted to try my healing some, same bosses and it offers me the chance to bonus roll. I taken the roll but didnt recive anything. Now i want to know if anyone tryed this and gotten a item? Can you use more then 1 mogu on the same boss if you go back ?

Comentario de MrTruthSayer

The companion pets in ToT as well as SoO, can now be looted via Bonus Rolls.

5.4 patch notes states this and one of my guild members received an oozling off Sha of Pride from his bonus roll.

Comentario de Sponsz

If you buy those regularly on a lot of alts and in large numbers, the confirmation dialog can be quite annoying.

This macro will help you get them in large numbers at once:

/run BuyMerchantItem(7,20)

Beware:

First number in brackets indicates the item index (which can vary from class to class, so beware.
The index is build like this: 1st row left to right, 2nd row, left to right, and so on. Be sure to not user any vendor-modding addons.
Second number indicates the amount to buy.

Comentario de matoh

Question: as of WOD, can you use this multiple times in a week for bonus roll in Oondasta and Nalak? Or you can only use this once a week?

Comentario de pilgrimz

As of the release of patch 6.2 there appears to be a bug with Mistweaver Ai, who sells these. You can buy her other items, but not these for some reason - they're there in her inventory but right-clicking on them does absolutely nothing. I've placed a bug report and will update with new information.

Comentario de Glenmorange

** Edit ** This bug seems to be fixed now.

These coins are bugged as of 6.2, and you cannot buy them directly. Use this macro instead:

/run BuyMerchantItem(4,1)

(You have to be near the NPC and with the vendor window opened)

Comentario de jjanchan

***LEGION UPDATE: The new bonus roll currency for Legion launch is Sello de destino alterado. Also, Legion will increase the cap for Sello de destino inevitable from 10 to 20. This has preemptively been updated below.***

This is one of the extra roll currencies that were first introduced in Mists of Pandaria. It allows you to roll (at a cost of 1 currency per roll) for an extra chance at loot on certain world, raid or dungeon bosses.

This extra loot is granted directly to the person rolling and is not part of the group/party's loot for that boss. The majority of the time the roll does not yield loot - when this is the case, gold is granted instead. Certain currencies also can grant pets or mounts as part of the bonus loot - this will vary depending on boss (a list of mounts and pets you can bonus roll for is listed later in this comment).

There is protection for bad luck on bonus rolls. As per a blue post:

Whenever you use a bonus roll and you don’t get any loot, your chance of getting loot on the next roll will increase. This increased probability won’t be reset until some loot is awarded, and this is independent of the boss that is being killed.
The bad luck streak protection will carry over and continue to increase the probability from boss to boss and instance to instance and won't reset until you get some loot.

For all currencies, World Bosses will only allow a single roll a week. This can be on any kill - if you kill a boss more than once and pass on rolling the first time, you will still have the option of doing so on a subsequent kill that week.
For most currencies you can kill bosses in a single or multiple lockouts/difficulties (kill a boss on both Heroic and Normal, or a Heroic boss twice) to also get a bonus roll chance EACH time. For example, you can kill Gruul on Heroic difficulty twice, and while you will be able to get loot directly from the boss only once, you can bonus roll both times for extra chances at loot.
The above is NOT true for Mythic raids however - those lockouts prevent you from doing multiple bosses in one week.

The currencies listed can be found on the currency tab in your character screen. Below is a table summarizing the currency types, including sources for each.
NOTE: NPC locations can be seen on a by mousing over the zone name in the "Source" column.

Legion
Currency	Source	Eligible Raids/Bosses	Cap
Sello de destino alterado	Obtainable (maximum 3 per week) from Archimago Lan'dalock (Dalaran - Legion) for various currencies, as below.	1st	2nd	3rd
Gold	1000	2000	4000
Order Resources	1000	2000	4000

Bastión Nocturno
Pesadilla Esmeralda
Mythic dungeons
Legion World Bosses:
Ana-Mouz
Calamir
Drugon el Sangrescarcha
Derrelicto
Humongris
Levantus
Na'zak el Maligno
Nithogg
Shar'thos
The Soultakers
J'im Marchito

Warlords of Draenor
Currency	Source	Eligible Raids/Bosses	Cap
Sello de destino templado	A) Sold by vendors: Buscalba Krisek (Tanaan Jungle) - 240-300g* Oracuervos Thelnaas (Tanaan Jungle) - 240-300g* Tuercedestinos Seress (Stormshield) - 300g Tuercedestinos Tiklal (Warspear) - 300g *NOTE - Cost from vendors in Tanaan vary with reputation level with Orden de los Despiertos, with lowest cost being 240g at Exalted reputation. B) Obtained from garrison missions: Drov el Arruinador Rukhmar	Ogrópolis Fundición Roca Negra Draenor World Bosses: Drov el Arruinador Tarlna el Eterno Rukhmar	20
Sello de destino inevitable	A) One per week can be obtained from Búnker enano / Molino de guerra Nivel 3 in your garrison. Speak to Grun'lek (H)/Kristen Forjapiedra (A) to obtain your weekly seal. *NOTE - This seal counts as 1 of the maximum 3 seals you can obtain per week. B) Obtainable (maximum 3 per week) from Tuercedestinos Tiklal (Warspear)/Tuercedestinos Seress (Stormshield) for various currencies, as below.	1st	2nd	3rd
Gold	500	1000	2000
Garrison Resources	1000	2000	4000
Apexis Crystals	500	1000	2000

*NOTE - If you already obtained 1 from your Búnker enano / Molino de guerra Nivel 3, only 2 more can be obtained for currency that week.

C) One seal obtainable for completing the Timewalking Bonus Event quest Una senda ardiente a través del tiempo (during Burning Crusade Timewalking, Una senda helada a través del tiempo (during Wrath of the Lich King Timewalking) or Una senda en el tiempo fragmentada (during Cataclysm Timewalking). The seals are in addition to the 3 seals per week otherwise obtainable.

Ciudadela del Fuego Infernal
Tanaan Jungle World Boss:
Señor supremo Kazzak
Mythic Dungeons

Mists of Pandaria
Currency	Source	Eligible Raids/Bosses	Cap
Talismán ancestral de buena fortuna	A) Sold by Comandante Lo Ping in Townlong Steppes for the cost of 20 Talismán inferior de buena fortuna each. Use the following macro to purchase them quickly and easily: /run BuyMerchantItem(1,1) B) Dropped by various rare spawns and summoned mobs on the Isle of Thunder.	Cámaras Mogu'shan Corazón del Miedo Veranda de la Primavera Eterna Pandaria World Bosses: Galeón Sha de la ira	20
Runa del destino mogu	Sold by Tejedora de niebla Ai on the Timeless Isle for the cost of 1000 Moneda intemporal each.	Solio del Trueno Isle of Thunder World Boss: Nalak Isle of Giants World Boss: Oondasta	20
Sello forjado por la guerra	Weekly quest which grants 3 seals for the cost of 50 Talismán inferior de buena fortuna total. Sellos forjados por la guerra, available from Ancestro Liao, ground floor in Shrine of the Two Moons Sellos forjados por la guerra, available from Ancestro Lin, ground floor of Shrine of the Seven Stars	Asedio de Orgrimmar Timeless Isle World Bosses: Chi-Ji Xuen Yu'lon Niuzao Ordos	20

Below I have compiled some data on pets, mounts and other drops from bosses (both World and Raid bosses).
The "Bonus Roll" column notes whether the item in question is obtainable from a bonus roll (note that you can USE a bonus roll on all bosses, but you will not necessarily be able to get certain pets and mounts on the bonus roll).
NOTE: World Boss locations can be seen on a by mousing over the zone name in the "Source" column.

MOUNTS
Mount	Source	Bonus Roll Mount	Currency
Riendas del dragón nimbo astral	Elegon Raid Boss Cámaras Mogu'shan Normal, Heroic	No	-
Silla de montar del hijo de Galeón	Galeón World Boss Valley of the Four Winds	Yes	Talismán ancestral de buena fortuna
Riendas del dragón nimbo ónice célico	Sha de la ira World Boss Kun-Lai Summit	Yes	Talismán ancestral de buena fortuna
Engendro de Horridonte	Horridonte Raid Boss Solio del Trueno Normal, Heroic	No	-
Cría de Ji Kun	Ji Kun Raid Boss Solio del Trueno Normal, Heroic	No	-
Riendas del dragón nimbo de cobalto tronador	Nalak World Boss Isle of Thunder	Yes	Runa del destino mogu
Riendas del cuernoatroz primario de cobalto	Oondasta World Boss Isle of Giants	Yes	Runa del destino mogu
Gigante Kor'kron	Garrosh Grito Infernal Raid Boss Asedio de Orgrimmar Mythic	No	-
Destructor uñaférrea	Puño Negro Raid Boss Fundición Roca Negra Mythic	No	-
Halcón saeta del sol	Rukhmar World Boss Spires of Arak	No	-
Aniquilador de acero vil	Archimonde Raid Boss Ciudadela del Fuego Infernal Mythic	No	-
Núcleo infernal viviente	Gul'dan Raid Boss Bastión Nocturno Normal, Heroic, Mythic	No	-
Núcleo de Fuego Infernal maligno	Gul'dan Raid Boss Bastión Nocturno Mythic	No	-

PETS
Pet	Source	Bonus Roll Pet	Currency
Drop: Cuernoatroz pigmeo Pet: Cuernoatroz pigmeo	Horridonte Raid Boss Solio del Trueno LFR, Normal, Heroic	Yes	Runa del destino mogu
Drop: Arenizo viviente Pet: Arenizo viviente	Council of Elders Raid Boss Solio del Trueno LFR	Yes*	Runa del destino mogu *NOTE: In Normal or Heroic mode, this drops from Elemental de arena trash mobs and cannot be bonus rolled.
Drop: Prole de Ji Kun Pet: Prole de Ji Kun	Ji Kun Raid Boss Solio del Trueno LFR, Normal, Heroic	Yes	Runa del destino mogu
Drop: Masa temblorosa Pet: Fluido viviente	Primordius Raid Boss Solio del Trueno ONLY LFR	Yes	Runa del destino mogu
Drop: Masa temblorosa oscura Pet: Horror viscoso	Primordius Raid Boss Solio del Trueno ONLY Normal and Heroic	No	-
Drop: Hijo de Animus Pet: Hijo de Animus	Animus oscuro Raid Boss Solio del Trueno LFR, Normal, Heroic	Yes	Runa del destino mogu
Drop: Brote de sha pegajoso Pet: Brote de sha pegajoso	Sha del orgullo Raid Boss Asedio de Orgrimmar ONLY LFR and Normal	Yes	Sello forjado por la guerra
Drop: Brote de Y'Shaarj Pet: Brote de Y'Shaarj	Sha del orgullo Raid Boss Asedio de Orgrimmar ONLY Normal, Heroic and Mythic	Yes	Sello forjado por la guerra
Drop: Bombita Mechanegra Pet: Bombita Mechanegra	Asediador Mechanegra Raid Boss Asedio de Orgrimmar LFR, Normal, Heroic, Mythic	Yes	Sello forjado por la guerra
Drop: Kovok Pet: Kovok	Paragons of the Klaxxi Raid Boss Asedio de Orgrimmar LFR, Normal, Heroic, Mythic	Yes	Sello forjado por la guerra
Drop: Guardián del nido corrupto Pet: Guardián del nido corrupto	Señor de las Sombras Iskar Raid Boss Ciudadela del Fuego Infernal LFR, Normal, Heroic, Mythic	Yes	Sello de destino inevitable

MISCELLANEOUS
Drop	Source	Bonus Roll	Currency
Tesoro de los chamanes Kor'kron (contains Kor'kron Dark Shaman Armor)	Kor'kron Dark Shaman Raid Boss Asedio de Orgrimmar Normal, Heroic, Mythic ONLY drops for Shamans	No	-

Comentario de Yewtink

Quick buy macro for all classes, just spam this and it will buy 1 Mogu Rune of Fate.

/run for i=1,GetMerchantNumItems() do if GetMerchantItemInfo(i)=="Mogu Rune of Fate" then BuyMerchantItem(i,1) break end end

Comentario de Topojijo

The item has been moved to a different slot on the vendor so if you want to macro buy this as of the 8.0 patch run the following

/run BuyMerchantItem(5,1)

Comentario de TrueXirro

Quick Guide for everyone farming the Worldbosses:
Explaining which bonusrolls for each boss and how to farm them!

1. YES, you can Bonusroll on them for increased Mountchance

Worldbosses / Bonusrolls:
- Sha of Anger NEEDS Elder Charm of Good Fortune as Bonusroll
- Galleon NEEDS Elder Charm of Good Fortune as Bonusroll
- Oondasta NEEDS Mogu Rune of Fate as Bonusroll
- Nalak NEEDS Mogu Rune of Fate as Bonusroll

How to FARM the Bonusrolls super FAST:
1) Go to the Timeless Isle and farm the Frogs at the east-coast .
2) They drop 2 important currencys to buy BOTH Bonusrolls!
2.1) - Lesser Charm of Good Fortune :: You need 20 Lesser to buy 1 Elder Charm of Good Fortune :: Farm 400 Lesser to buy 20 Elder (CAP)
2.2) - Timeless Coins :: You need 1000 to buy 1 Mogu Rune of Fate :: Farm 20k Coins to buy 20 Runes (CAP)
3.1) While on Timeless Isle, trade in your Timeless Coins at /way 42.8 55.6 Mistweaver Ai for Mogu Rune of Fate.
3.2) Fly to Townlong Steppes, trade in your Lesser Charm of Good Fortune at /way 37.8 64.6 Commander Lo Ping for Elder Charm of Good Fortune.
--- I personally need around 15 min of farm for 400 Charms (cap) and 11k Coins.
--- You can speed up the process in a group, cuz everyone can loot all corpses and they respawn even faster.
--- therefore, invite everyone nearby that is also farming!

Leave a like if I could help you, so everyone else can see this post, too.
And GL on your Mounts!

Greetings

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Runa del destino mogu

Poseer una runa del destino mogu permite al afortunado propietario obtener una recompensa extra del Solio del Trueno, de Nalak o de Oondasta.

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