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Kommentar von Calcitrant

Provides you with a choice of up to 3 schematics to learn.

you get the notes from scrapping other schematics as well as the green items picked up from scrapping

Kommentar von Mithim

If you can't currently learn something from the item, you'll get the message;

There is nothing left to invent and you cannot be convinced otherwise.

You may still have recipes to learn but require points in certain specializations.

For example, to get the recipes for profession gear, you need to unlock the Profession Gear specialization under Engineered Equipment, then your Comprehensibly Organized Ideas will give new recipes.

Kommentar von Qoko

If you want to max your Haufen rostigen Schrotts yield, keep at least one invention unlearned! (so anything marked 'Invention' in the Engineering window). This includes prototypes and those learned from Verständlich geordnete Ideen. For details, see the spoiler tag.

Once you learn all inventions, they no longer drop from Schrott durchforsten. This sort of makes sense, but Erfindung zerlegen also gives about 15 Haufen rostigen Schrotts on average so you lose out on a lot of scrap (which in turn give parts to use or sell). Erfindung zerlegen takes exactly two minutes a stack at Crafting Speed 75%, so in the long run this is definitely worth it. Schrott durchforsten will give some leftover scrap (and notes in case you still miss patterns from Verständlich geordnete Ideen) instead of inventions but this pales in comparison to the thousands you get from disassembling.

I can now first hand confirm this: wanting to max out my knowledge from First Crafts the only pattern I'm now missing is Defekte Rettungskapsel: Erfinden and Schrott durchforsten give me Prototyp: Defekte Rettungskapsel consistently. If you go down to just one invention just bank it to prevent learning it by accident. Every other invention will now be Unkenntlicher Prototyp that you can Erfindung zerlegen at will.

I'm not sure if this effective nerf is intended but it seems to be, considering the 'leftover' from scouring after you learn all inventions.

Kommentar von lexmosti

How many schematics we can learn by using this item?

Kommentar von selerik

The War Within Engineering - Discovery Mechanics (A great idea, or scrap it?)
Engineers can learn 75 new recipes as of The War Within's launch, 50 of which are gated behind Discovery mechanics.

Discovery Mechanics - How it Works

Engineers get started with Schrott durchforsten, taught by their profession trainer.
Schrott durchforsten will quickly allow the engineer to discover the profession's other essential skills, standard parts, and be a rare source of prototypes .
They will quickly learn Erfinden, which is a guaranteed* prototype each day. (*While supplies last)

Prototypes are single-use versions of engineer recipes which teach that recipe when used.

IMPORTANT: Once an Engineer learns the recipe, they will never receive the prototype version again.

Erfindung zerlegen can be used on unwanted or excess prototypes (including Unkenntlicher Prototyp), generating up to 10 Haufen rostigen Schrotts and Hastig geschriebene Notizen.
Hastig geschriebene Notizen create Verständlich geordnete Ideen, which can only be used to learn Engineering recipes. Neither item has any vendor value or other uses.

Discovery Mechanics - How it Doesn't Work

The discovery flavor and mechanics are built around 3 abilities: Schrott durchforsten, Erfinden, and Erfindung zerlegen.
If an engineer learns all 14 recipes linked to prototypes, they will never receive a prototype again.
Instead of Unkenntlicher Prototyp, they directly receive Hastig geschriebene Notizen.

What are the impacts of losing the prototype mechanic?

Erfindung zerlegen ceases to function.
After the initial discovery/skill-up phase, Erfinden also ceases to have any function.
Since prototypes (recyclable) are replaced with Hastig geschriebene Notizen (not recyclable), Schrott durchforsten becomes a less efficient source of parts.

How many Verständlich geordnete Ideen does an engineer actually need?

28 recipes require Verständlich geordnete Ideen to discover them.

How the Engineer allocates their Engineering Knowledge is also important, since three different sub-specialties control access to discoveries..

6 are gated behind Profession Gear, and can't be learned until the sub-specialty is unlocked.
4 are gated behind Goggles, and can't be learned until the sub-specialty is unlocked.
4 are gated behind Bracers, and can't be learned until the sub-specialty is unlocked.

What about when you have invented everything?
There is light at the end of the tunnel!
When you have discovered the final recipe requiring Verständlich geordnete Ideen , you will cease to receive Hastig geschriebene Notizen completely.
Schrott durchforsten will now have a chance to create the finished version of prototyped recipes, such as the tinker modules and potion bombs.
Erfinden will have a 100% chance to produce the finished version of one of the prototyped recipes.

Engineering Recipes - Source Breakdown

Discovery - Schrott durchforsten: 8
Discovery - Erfinden Prototypes: 15
Warning: If you discover all Prototypes, you will no longer be able to use Erfindung zerlegen!

Discovery from Verständlich geordnete Ideen: 42

Note: All invenions that can be Prototyped can also be discovered from Verständlich geordnete Ideen.
Discovery Requirement - Goggles: 4
Discovery Requirement - Profession Gear: 6
Discovery Requirement - Bracers: 4

Profession Trainer: 8
Vendors: 9
Quest Rewards: 1
Total Recipes: 75

Kommentar von Hhalle567

Awesome post selerik, thank you!

Here are the 14 Prototypes, it's okay to learn all but one of them (you pick):

3 Explosives:

Potion Bomb of Power
Potion Bomb of Recovery
Potion Bomb of Speed

2 Tinkers:

Earthen Delivery Drill
Heartseeking Health Injector

and 9 Devices:

Barrel of Fireworks
Defective Escape Pod
Filmless Camera
Wormhole Generator: Khaz Algar
Convincingly Realistic Jumper Cables
Irresistible Red Button
Pausing Pylon
Algari Repair Bot 11O
Portable Profession Possibility Projector

Box o' Booms, Stonebound Lantern, and Crowd Pummeler 2-30 apparently do not have a chance of showing up as a "Prototype: "

Kommentar von Eillesthis

Haufen rostigen Schrotts > Schrott durchforsten, or Erfinden (better) > Prototypes you can use to learn, or... > Erfindung zerlegen > more scrap and Hastig geschriebene Notizen > Verständlich geordnete Ideen > pick one of three schematics to learn

There are 14 prototypes, plus the Unkenntlicher Prototyp which can be turned into one of the fourteen. Once you've learned all 14, Scour Through Scrap/Invent goes straight to Hastily Scrawled Notes.

Kommentar von Chaugernaut

i just noticed today i was getting instead of the soulbound one. those are warbounds so im guessing since i have nothing new to learn its a way to help alts learn recipe faster ?

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