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Which candidates and former candidates for the 2012 US election do you most align with?

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Beitrag von MyTie

He personally is against it, but believes he doesn't have the right to tell people they can't get married

This sounds soooo familiar.

Beitrag von Squishalot

I've gamed an answer out of the site:

1. Gary Johnson* (100%)
2. Ron Paul* (83%)
3. Ideal Theoretical Candidate (83%)
4. Jill Stein* (67%)
5. Barack Obama* (67%)

So here, I've hit 'neither' to every single possible option, except for the one where it asks about truthfulness, in which case, I put 'truthful'.

Do Gary Johnson and Ron Paul really have that little in the way of a firm policy stance, or is the site catering towards Obama / Romney primarily?

Beitrag von Sas148

I would think 'neither' answers would exclude the question and the one you did answer would then rank them on their "truthful(ness)."

That information is taken from some website that rates them on their truthfulness so maybe Gary Johnson has the highest rating on that site?

I'm not sure...

Did you say yes or no to the last question about making the current candidates weigh more?

Beitrag von 207044

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Beitrag von 168916

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Beitrag von gamerunknown

I don't really see Paul as being pro-gay rights based on the wiki. There are some progressive points, such as his voting for the repeal of "Don't Ask Don't Tell" and his claim the government should not be involved in marriage, but there are other significant points. For instance, he wouldn't say he'd vote against Proposition 8 and he's been a co-sponsor of the marriage protection act, which prevents courts from challenging the constitutionality of DOMA. He also criticised the court's decision in Lawrence vs. Texas, which is a little worrying given the fact that Libertarians typically claim any disputes can be resolved in the courts. It seems he's a true believer in the constitution unless someone takes a different view to the constitution to him, in which case there's some local autonomous direct democracy applied. I wonder whether he thinks federal cases for the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or on 2nd amendment grounds are also "judicial activism".

That said, it's entirely possible Jubilee just takes a freshwater view to the economy and isn't a single issue voter.

Beitrag von Squishalot

I would think 'neither' answers would exclude the question and the one you did answer would then rank them on their "truthful(ness)."

That information is taken from some website that rates them on their truthfulness so maybe Gary Johnson has the highest rating on that site?

I'm not sure...

Did you say yes or no to the last question about making the current candidates weigh more?

That's a good theory, but when I answer 'ignore that site', it still has a similar result, except that Gary Johnson drops to 2nd place, and someone else comes 1st. Can't remember who, it was a female candidate.

Beitrag von 204878

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Beitrag von MyTie

He personally is against it, but believes he doesn't have the right to tell people they can't get married
This sounds soooo familiar.
And yet when you don't selectively edit:
...so his official stance is pro gay rights.
All of a sudden it doesn't. :P

Yes it does. I am pro gay rights, and anti gay. Do you not get that yet? If you don't, then please, just leave it alone, as it is entirely too complex for you.

Beitrag von 168916

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Beitrag von MyTie

You are welcome to consider a position that opposes every gay marriage rights law in the country "pro gay rights", but you ought to be capable of understanding why some will disagree.

To understand the disagreement is built on a strawman. The strawman is that not supporting homosexuality is to not support their rights as human beings.

Other things I don't support:

Judaism
Polygamy
Bisexuality
Trans-gender
Pornography
Pastafarianism
Islam
Hindu
Buddhism

I'll never support a law that sponsors these activities. I'll support laws that give rights to others, but doesn't define those actions as "legally sanctioned" activities, because I don't want my government to sanction those activities. That's where the rub is. That's why the disagreement rises. To others, homosexuality isn't an activity, but instead is who they are. That's why there is such spite and anger at my position. I don't support homosexuality, and to not do so is not fair, in their eyes. If you want to call me wrong on those grounds, do so. But, to say that I don't support the rights of homosexuals is to argue something else entirely, and to be categorically incorrect. You still... and I don't know how... still don't understand the difference between arguing against homosexuality, and arguing against homosexual rights. I have never, not once... not friggin ONE TIME, said that homosexuals shouldn't have the same rights as everyone else. So, yes, I can understand how someone might think that, if they were unable to understand the difference in these to ideas.

Beitrag von gamerunknown

I love Christians. I just don't think they should marry or have children

That guy put it quite succinctly, IMO.

Beitrag von 168916

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Beitrag von MyTie

Well, as long as you don't vote for Obama, you can say anything you want about me. You, fenomas, get that free pass*.

*free passes valid only while offer lasts, not valid where prohibited. Free pass expires 5/26/12. Free Pass doesn't pass past actions. Pass is not binding to pass giver.

Beitrag von 168916

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Beitrag von Laihendi

Ron Paul (65%)
Barack Obama* (60%)
Joseph Biden (57%)
Michael Bloomberg (48%)
Jill Stein* (45%)
Kent Mesplay* (45%)
Jon Huntsman (44%)
Mitt Romney* (44%)
Newt Gingrich (43%)
Robby Wells* (43%)
Rocky Anderson* (37%)
Tim Pawlenty (36%)
Rick Santorum (35%)
Stewart Alexander* (35%)
Gary Johnson* (34%)
Herman Cain (29%)
Michele Bachmann (24%)
Rick Perry (18%)
Buddy Roemer* (18%)
Donald Trump (13%)

Beitrag von 557473

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Beitrag von FatalHeaven

Interesting...

Not that surprising, I am pretty sure Ron Paul is one of the few candidates anywhere who has said he thinks gay marriage is fine. He personally is against it, but believes he doesn't have the right to tell people they can't get married, so his official stance is pro gay rights.

I think most candidates try to mask it as civil union and offer a compromise, so they don't alienate those against gay marriage as voters, which is kind of disappointing IMO. They should take a stance of yes or no, not offer a solution that is nearly identical only worded differently.

My thoughts as well. Personally, since I am gay, I'm obviously pro. But even if someone is gonna be all 'con' about it, they need to buck up and say it; not just give us bullcrap 'rights' that they think equal equality.

Beitrag von MyTie

My thoughts as well. Personally, since I am gay, I'm obviously pro. But even if someone is gonna be all 'con' about it, they need to buck up and say it; not just give us bullcrap 'rights' that they think equal equality.

There are quite few homosexuals on this forum, at least, in my perception. All the settings I've been in, IRL, has been overwhelmingly heterosexual. I wonder if my perception has been off, or if there is something about a wowhead offtopic forum, or just coincidence.

Beitrag von FatalHeaven

I have never, not once... not friggin ONE TIME, said that homosexuals shouldn't have the same rights as everyone else.

So then you do support gay marriage? I've always been under the impression you don't.

Because disagree as you might, Marriage in and of itself is a RIGHT. One that anybody could try to take away from you; the same as conservatives fight so insistently to keep it from me. Would someone succeed in revoking the right to marry from straights? Hell no. Why? Because in law, as stupid as it is, religion wins. Nine times out of ten. Of course, this is purely in my opinion and I fully expect you and others to disagree. :)

But back to the point of the thread:

Any in bold, I've never heard of.

1. Ideal Theoretical Candidate (100%)
2. Barack Obama* (77%) <--- Voted for in 2008, but no longer trust. Wouldn't vote for.
3. Jill Stein* (73%)
4. Kent Mesplay* (64%)
5. Joseph Biden (59%)
6. Stewart Alexander* (50%)
7. Rocky Anderson* (44%)
8. Robby Wells* (40%)
9. Michael Bloomberg (35%)
10. Mitt Romney* (34%) <--- Haha. No.
11. Jon Huntsman (32%)
12. Gary Johnson* (31%)
13. Ron Paul (29%)
14. Newt Gingrich (28%)
15. Buddy Roemer* (26%)
16. Rick Santorum (24%) <--- Would never in my life vote for.
17. Donald Trump (22%) <--- Yeahhhhh... NO!
18. Michele Bachmann (16%) <--- Would never in my life vote for.
19. Herman Cain (16%)
20. Rick Perry (16%)
21. Tim Pawlenty (12%)

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