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What is, and isnt, PvP.
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Beitrag von
kalastrear
hello Wowheaders! Today I'm discussing what is, and isnt, PvP. People on my realm are fighting trade so I thought i'd clear things up. First of, What PvP is.
Pvp:
Ganking in open world:Ganking is a form of pvp where one player suprise attacks you in the open world.
Battlegrounds:
Battlegrounds are a type of pvp you que for
Arena's:
Arena's are pretty much small battlegrounds, 2v2, 3v3, 5v5.
What isn't PvP: PvP ISN'T 90's ganking people they can one shot. PvP stands for player VERSUS player. It isnt player VERSUS player if one person cant even get 1 shot off or do any dmg. PvP is supposed to be a challenge not 1 shotting people 60 levels lower than you. Make blizz change it so you can only gank people within ____ levels of you so 90's stop ganking people level 50.(##RESPBREAK##)2060##DELIM##Sas148##DELIM##
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Beitrag von
kalastrear
Im assuming your on a PvP server... and maybe you should not be... if your a low lev and flagged on a PvE server, your dead. (or ganked). There should be no rules like that on a PvP server, you join a PvP server you should know what your getting into.
No i love wpvp w/o whatever this 'flag' is. I just dont see how people think 1 shotting hordies is pvp
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1069282
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Beitrag von
Oziah
90 vs a level 20 is to PvP as a level 90 farming Stockade is to PVE.
Beitrag von
Lordplatypus
stockades requires hitting multiple targets.
More like killing level 25 rares.
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1069282
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Beitrag von
kalastrear
Im assuming your on a PvP server... and maybe you should not be... if your a low lev and flagged on a PvE server, your dead. (or ganked). There should be no rules like that on a PvP server, you join a PvP server you should know what your getting into.
No i love wpvp w/o whatever this 'flag' is. I just dont see how people think 1 shotting hordies is pvp
Yeah its not PvP its slaughtering.
you're right. It isnt PvP, its slaughtering, its greifing, its....more words that mean those meanings but are not those words.
Beitrag von
Dilbo
If one player is attacking another player it is pvp. It doesn't matter that the lower level cannot beat the higher level player.
PvP is supposed to be a challenge not 1 shotting people 60 levels lower than you.
Please provide a link as to where this is stated to be official Blizzard policy...actually, let me save you some time - there is no such policy and therefore your idea of what constitutes pvp is irrelevant.
Make blizz change it so you can only gank people within ____ levels of you so 90's stop ganking people level 50.
Ganking is pvp. Whether you like it or not is another story. If you do not like it there are pve servers for people like you.
Beitrag von
Lordplatypus
Is it?
Ganking isn't pvp, it's just plain dirty.
If one player is attacking another player it is pvp. It doesn't matter that the lower level cannot beat the higher level player.
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Same logic there.
Ganking is pvp. Whether you like it or not is another story. If you do not like it there are pve servers for people like you.
Murder is real. Whether you like it or not is another story.(##RESPBREAK##)8##DELIM##ElhonnaDS##DELIM##That's not really an appropriate metaphor, and is more likely to just offend people and derail the discussion than make your point.
Beitrag von
Adamsm
If one player is attacking another player it is pvp. It doesn't matter that the lower level cannot beat the higher level player.
PvP is supposed to be a challenge not 1 shotting people 60 levels lower than you.
Please provide a link as to where this is stated to be official Blizzard policy...actually, let me save you some time - there is no such policy and therefore your idea of what constitutes pvp is irrelevant.
Make blizz change it so you can only gank people within ____ levels of you so 90's stop ganking people level 50.
Ganking is pvp. Whether you like it or not is another story. If you do not like it there are pve servers for people like you.
Yes player vs player is pvp...but sitting on a lowbie's corpse for hours on end is just plain ganking; there is nothing even remotely resembling pvp when it comes to something like that.
However, I still think that for those who 'enjoy' running around killing lowbies should start getting a debuff if they repeatedly kill the same target that is more then ten levels lower then them, which steadily eats away at the characters stats till the lowbie could take down the level 90 in a fair fight.
Beitrag von
Kampiakseli
If one player is attacking another player it is pvp. It doesn't matter that the lower level cannot beat the higher level player.
PvP is supposed to be a challenge not 1 shotting people 60 levels lower than you.
Please provide a link as to where this is stated to be official Blizzard policy...actually, let me save you some time - there is no such policy and therefore your idea of what constitutes pvp is irrelevant.
Make blizz change it so you can only gank people within ____ levels of you so 90's stop ganking people level 50.
Ganking is pvp. Whether you like it or not is another story. If you do not like it there are pve servers for people like you.
Actually, back in the day ganking lowbies, say in Hillsbrad Foothills, STV, etc. was great way to force some great WPvP battles between factions. Note, this was BACK IN THE DAY. Now, with flying available everywhere. This ganking thing is getting plain retarded. People just fly in > one shot you > disappear to skies and you can't find them even if you tried. This is the reason I'd like to see the day when blizzard takes flying away from atleast EK and Kalimdor.
And no, I do not approve ganking anymore like I used to. If the gankers actually stayed around to kill you again in the ground I'd be OK with that.... Let me go get my main, that'd be something.
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250116
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Beitrag von
Kynkylicious
PvP is simply Player Versus Player. There is no defined skill or level within the definition. If you want world pvp, but only at high level then go to a PvE server and invade the opposing factions main city. There will usually be quite a few people who will be willing to defend there city. If you wish to pvp at low levels, there are battlegrounds you can que for. And if you are here strictly for pvp then realize you will be killed a lot more than you will kill until you manage to reach the level cap and are properly geared before you decide to roll on a pvp server. These things are defined for what they are for a reason.
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37742
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Beitrag von
Dilbo
Yes player vs player is pvp...but sitting on a lowbie's corpse for hours on end is just plain ganking; there is nothing even remotely resembling pvp when it comes to something like that.
Ganking is just the term used for killing the member of a hostile faction "just because you can". It is pvp. It's not
competitive
pvp, but it is one player attacking another so "player vs player". As the victimized lowbie, you have options:
1) Get on your main and fight back.
2) Stay on your lowbie and call for reinforcements from your guild, trade chat, world defense, etc.
3) Log off and take a break; come back later.
I am not saying that being ganked is not annoying. It certainly is, and it can be frustrating...but that is part of the game if you choose to play on a pvp server. If you do not like this style of play then you can play on pve server.
However, I still think that for those who 'enjoy' running around killing lowbies should start getting a debuff if they repeatedly kill the same target that is more then ten levels lower then them, which steadily eats away at the characters stats till the lowbie could take down the level 90 in a fair fight.
Why? The entire purpose of an RPG game is character development. One player CAN have a better character than yours, be it because of a higher level, spec, class or gear. The notion that everything should be fair and equal would make for a terrible RPG...in fact, would remove the RPG element and give you a FPS type game.
They already gave everyone a baseline 65% resil for pvp so that should ease the pain of getting geared. Personally I do not like the direction they're going with that but it certainly narrowed the gap between players' gear.
It is fun to occasionally find a spot where lowbies must go, such as the dark portal, and take them out like fish in a barrel. I do not feel compelled to chase them down and harass them, but I chose to play on a pvp server to have the option to attack other players for any reason...I also accepted that I can be attacked by another player or players for any reason.
Beitrag von
Dilbo
Actually, back in the day ganking lowbies, say in Hillsbrad Foothills, STV, etc. was great way to force some great WPvP battles between factions. Note, this was BACK IN THE DAY. Now, with flying available everywhere. This ganking thing is getting plain retarded. People just fly in > one shot you > disappear to skies and you can't find them even if you tried. This is the reason I'd like to see the day when blizzard takes flying away from atleast EK and Kalimdor.
And no, I do not approve ganking anymore like I used to. If the gankers actually stayed around to kill you again in the ground I'd be OK with that.... Let me go get my main, that'd be something.
I would be OK with them adding a debuff to players who have engaged in pvp that prevents them from using flying mounts for 5 mins after their last pvp action. How about that idea?
Beitrag von
Adamsm
Yes player vs player is pvp...but sitting on a lowbie's corpse for hours on end is just plain ganking; there is nothing even remotely resembling pvp when it comes to something like that.
Ganking is just the term used for killing the member of a hostile faction "just because you can". It is pvp. It's not
competitive
pvp, but it is one player attacking another so "player vs player". As the victimized lowbie, you have options:
1) Get on your main and fight back.
2) Stay on your lowbie and call for reinforcements from your guild, trade chat, world defense, etc.
3) Log off and take a break; come back later.
I am not saying that being ganked is not annoying. It certainly is, and it can be frustrating...but that is part of the game if you choose to play on a pvp server. If you do not like this style of play then you can play on pve server.I was on a PVP server and I actually didn't get ganked; however, the mouth breathing corpse campers should get something done to them, as they disrupt other players time in game. You also can't get on a main if you've just started on a server/in game, and there are those who are unguilded as well as being servers with no one else around...what exactly are they suppose to do about the troll gankers hm?
However, I still think that for those who 'enjoy' running around killing lowbies should start getting a debuff if they repeatedly kill the same target that is more then ten levels lower then them, which steadily eats away at the characters stats till the lowbie could take down the level 90 in a fair fight.
Why? The entire purpose of an RPG game is character development. One player CAN have a better character than yours, be it because of a higher level, spec, class or gear. The notion that everything should be fair and equal would make for a terrible RPG...in fact, would remove the RPG element and give you a FPS type game.
They already gave everyone a baseline 65% resil for pvp so that should ease the pain of getting geared. Personally I do not like the direction they're going with that but it certainly narrowed the gap between players' gear.
It is fun to occasionally find a spot where lowbies must go, such as the dark portal, and take them out like fish in a barrel. I do not feel compelled to chase them down and harass them, but I chose to play on a pvp server to have the option to attack other players for any reason...I also accepted that I can be attacked by another player or players for any reason.
Do you remember the days of dishonourable kills? Where it used to be the more NPC's you killed, the more honour you lost? I wish that would come back; in fact I would love it come back since it would mean those who enjoy destroying towns and other lowbie locations would actually have something happen to them.
And I'd still like them to implement my idea, as that would not 'kill world pvp', merely the ganking mind set of those who think it's fun to kill something that can't fight back; there is nothing about griefing that has anything at all to do with RPG character leveling. It's not fun in a RPG to go back and kill the mobs in a level one zone, and there isn't anything fun/challenging/trying in killing another player who has no chance in hell of taking you down.
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