Thoughts on Cross-realm Zones

Beitrag von Trishi

I've been wondering about this since before it hit. For better than worse - I am on a high-pop server... but I'm leveled 8 characters to max, and I have never had a tought fight for quest objectives, but I also never had someone to complete a tough quest with.

At first, I just waited to see how it would go. At MoP Launch, it was horrible, but I disregarded it as "launch crowding".

But now, a good while after MoP have been out, I'm still having the same issues. Even in places that were always dead, like Outland, is now filled with all sorts of random people from different realms. Not even Death Knights or Pandaren. Everything. And none of them were from my realm.

I litterally had to give up on Zangarmarsh because there were too many people there, no matter where I went. Zangarmarsh. Seriously?

I'm not completely sure how CRZ works - I'm guessing it "merges" different realms in some zones, to limit the amount of "unused space" the servers have to handle? I don't know. I just know that I severely dislike it. I've tried to just shrug it off, and tell myself it is for the better - But I can't. They've removed 90% of all elites, so grouping up is never needed, so all these Cross-realm zones do, is make it more difficult and annoying to quest.

That's my opinion, at least. I'd love to hear some more opinions on it, though. I generally tend to look at new things with a positive outlook, but found none so far. It feels like a change we should have had when 1 out of 5 quests were group-quests, and not now when group-quests are almost extinct.

Beitrag von lankybrit

My thoughts on CRZ:

http://www.wowhead.com/forums&topic=208625

and see my sig :)

Cheers.

Beitrag von H3Knuckles

I'm not completely sure how CRZ works - I'm guessing it "merges" different realms in some zones, to limit the amount of "unused space" the servers have to handle? I don't know. I just know that I severely dislike it. I've tried to just shrug it off, and tell myself it is for the better - But I can't.They've removed 90% of all elites, so grouping up is never needed, so all these Cross-realm zones do, is make it more difficult and annoying to quest.

As I understand it, it creates a common, nearly-instanced version of the zone for a sufficiently large number of people regardless of what realm they're from. Ie, "they" are not taking "your" realm's nodes, it's no different from competing with other people from your own realm. This has proven to be a very difficult concept for a lot of the detractors to wrap their heads around.

There were too many people trying to do the same quests? Then be a little social and team up so you can share credit! It is a massively multiplayer game after all. There's your reason to group up.

To be honest, I agree with you about questing not really needing groups anymore, but I don't really have an issue with CRZ in principle, I just think it could use a little more ironing out. Also, while I love that they've increased the pace at which you level characters up, I wish they'd just made it faster, and not quite so much easier. I miss the elites and group quests, they could've just increased XP gains while fixing/replacing the poorly designed quests and stuff. But none of that has to do with CRZ in and of itself.

Beitrag von Trishi

Many thoughts on this subject have been expressed since Beta:

As I pointed out, I have had my thoughts on it as well, and I have followed the discussion somewhat. But I'm not interested in the thoughts from Beta. I'm interested in what people think now, after they've had the time to adjust and see how the system works.

Or doesn't work - Either way.

I am aware that there probably are a couple of technical reasons for it - But to me, this seems kind of ridiculous.

I could see the point in some cases - If it worked like overflow shards, automatically rerouting some characters from one realm to another if that zone was "too full". Like:
Dragonblight currently has 2 characters in Zangarmarsh
Doomhammer currently has 12 characters in Zangarmarsh
Move 5 characters from Doomhammer, leaving 7.
Dragonblight now has 7.

That balances it out for some people, and should, theoretically, make the average more happy.

But that doesn't seem to be the case. What seems to happen is this:
Dragonblight and doomhammer and 4 other realms now share the same zone. Have fun getting anything done, or even worse, farm for materials.

Also, I love how your issues with this system is the exact same as mine Ianky

Beitrag von Trishi

As I understand it, it creates a common, nearly-instanced version of the zone for a sufficiently large number of people regardless of what realm they're from. Ie, "they" are not taking "your" realm's nodes, it's no different from competing with other people from your own realm. This has proven to be a very difficult concept for a lot of the detractors to wrap their heads around.

I'm aware that they aren't taking my nodes or mobs. I am pretty sure I never stated so in my first post either. The problem isn't from my narrow point of view - CRZ is making it more difficult for everyone who wants to gather materials for any gathering profession. Yes, even Skinning.

There were too many people trying to do the same quests? Then be a little social and team up so you can share credit! It is a massively multiplayer game after all. There's your reason to group up.

Doesn't work when people doesn't want to. I've tried a few times, and gotten the same answer 90 % of the time - "Why should I team up when I can faceroll everything by myself?". Explaining that we don't need to fight over mobs doesn't help either. Especially because a lot of quest requires drops. That's perfectly fine in Classic zones, where every quest drop can be picked up by the whole team now, but from my experience, that is not the case in Outland, Northrend or Cataclysm.

The issue then goes from "Can't get the drops needed" to "I'm getting less exp, and my chance of getting the item is still low, because we are still competing against those from the other faction."

To be honest, I agree with you about questing not really needing groups anymore, but I don't really have an issue with CRZ in principle, I just think it could use a little more ironing out. Also, while I love that they've increased the pace at which you level characters up, I wish they'd just made it faster, and not quite so much easier. I miss the elites and group quests, they could've just increased XP gains while fixing/replacing the poorly designed quests and stuff. But none of that has to do with CRZ in and of itself.

It isn't an issue with CRZ - But if they had stuck with the elite quests, we would have had reason to use CRZ. Right now, we don't. Which means CRZ is full of negatives, and no positives to speak of. I've had a use for it twice, and that's merely because I happened to see someone wanting to team up. The Arenas. Both in Nagrand and Zul'Drak. That's it.

And speaking of technical reasons, ever since CRZ hit live, I've been seeing pretty significant delays in several areas. I head into the quest zone, and find... nothing. And nothing appears until about 5 seconds later. This also happens with nodes. Seriously? I have a ping at 31.

I'd have loved to see some real reason for not hating CRZ. I'm trying not to, but they've given us 0 reasons to like it, and plenty to dislike it.

As I pointed out, I have had my thoughts on it as well, and I have followed the discussion somewhat. But I'm not interested in the thoughts from Beta. I'm interested in what people think now, after they've had the time to adjust and see how the system works.

If you bothered to scan the rest of Wowhead's general forum before complaining, you would have seen that "since beta" includes more posts "since the feature went live" or "since about August." In English, the word "since" covers a window of time with a specific starting point. Which includes "now", interestingly.

But I have read them. And I'm aware that it's been going on since after the beta. But I've seen plenty of changes that made people go into a blind rage during beta, a milder rage during live, and finally responded with a shrug after a month or 2 had passed. That has been one of the main reactions you see every time some bad change has been made. Which is why I wondered if people's opinions had been changed, or at least have had some good experiences with it.

Beitrag von 331902

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Beitrag von lankybrit

I've been wondering about this since before it hit. For better than worse - I am on a high-pop server... but I'm leveled 8 characters to max, and I have never had a tought fight for quest objectives, but I also never had someone to complete a tough quest with.

And thats the problem, You haven't really experienced an MMO environment

That's funny, when I was playing, there were always hundreds of thousands of people online in a persistent world. I grouped with them for Dungeons, LFR, PvP and all manner of things before CRZ. If that doesn't meet the definition of MMO, I don't know what does. GC also said in his interview that they need to do something about the spawn rates etc because it's pretty bad outside of MoP right now.

Cheers.

Beitrag von trenshod

Good lord don't we have enough QQ CRZ threads. All these ever become is a flame war debate on debate as to why its good and why its bad. It is what it is either put-up or shut-up.

MMO: MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER ONLINE

The game was never designed to be a ghost town zones should be filled like they were when those were the zones to quest in. If you have suddenly become allergic to other people in game maybe a offline RPG is what you need.

Hello The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim

Beitrag von 331902

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Beitrag von Rystrave

Beitrag von 331902

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Beitrag von lankybrit

OK, I'll rephrase that.
Because you haven't previously experienced a MMO in the way the game was meant to be played and populated.
Learn to share.

Fix'd.

But yeah. CRZ threads are old, and quite frankly, contain the same qq and wahwah. We all understand you hate it, as it has been stated in about 10 other threads. It's time for you to move on from the game and the forums itself, since CRZ is all you post about. You never contribute to the community besides about how much you hate CRZ.

Well the dead horse analogy was right. People like this guy just won't stop #$%^&ing about CRZ.
Which is funny because I thought we'd gotten rid of him when he took his ball home and said he was quitting.
Sadly that turned out to be BS too.

Are you talking about me? Of course I've quit. It's just when I see people posting inaccuracies about CRZ that I feel I need to step in. But my sig holds. I'll be back in a heartbeat when they get rid of CRZ.

Cheers.

Beitrag von trenshod

Moderator, please do us all a favor and delete this thread or at least lock it. Nothing good will come out of leaving this active. If Blizzard changes the feature it changes (doubt it) but there is no need to debate anything about CRZ. The general public won't make the decision and it surely won't be made in a forum such as this.

Sure you guys have issues with CRZ bringing it here to generate flame wars isn't healthy for any one.

Beitrag von lonewarrior

CRZ is an attempt to change a culture or more accurately to reverse one.
Those of us from Vanilla/TBC and even early Wrath up to LFD will tell you as much that the interaction between players was far greater. The game cultivated such a culture.

From LFD onward, the game has cultivated a much more individualistic style. You will have proponents of both styles.
When LFD and later LFR were implemented, you can scour the forums to see many opponents who believe that LFD/LFR was ruining the game as we knew it.We were cultivated to the game as we were first attracted to.
The new breed that came in has obviously play and enjoy a different WoW that was more liberal for individualistic progression.
Now of course, the same type of vocal resentment is showing up in regards to CRZ.
Up until MoP it wasn't necessary to communicate in leveling areas. Now if you don't want to try to outrun other people to kill 10 NPC to complete a quest, you have to group up. In my TBC days this was second nature. You just did it.

Today of course, it's kind of weird for players who never experienced that. Even though it makes perfect sense for players to group up and knock off quest in a fraction of the time. Even in LFD/LFR players just burn through them with little communication. As you can see a whole culture has developed around that.
But, I can say that it has loosened up. Players are beginning to interact just a bit. Surprise surprise, the person playing that other toon isn't so bad. Perhaps one of the founding roots of this game which I believe was a major component of its historical success can be restore to some degree.

CRZ may be a little too late in it's own merit, unless Blizz continues to follow up with more game implementations that continue to blur the lines between servers. But it is the right first step.
For the sake of new players that this game needs if it's going to survive, we should give be willing to give up a part of it we are use to for the overall well being of the game.
I sure grudgingly did when Blizz felt the need for LFD/LFR, reset progression..etc.

Beitrag von 331902

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Beitrag von lankybrit

Are you talking about me? Of course I've quit. It's just when I see people posting inaccuracies about CRZ that I feel I need to step in. But my sig holds. I'll be back in a heartbeat when they get rid of CRZ.

Cheers.

You are one of the major perpetrators of CRZ inaccuracies on this site.
You've whined constantly, allegedly quit, now you feel the need to still bleat on about it? CRZ will not be removed, by all means keep hoping but we both know it is here for good, so. why constantly bang on about your unwillingness to share a zone with other people?
Just move on.

Will you just STFU about 'allegedly' and stop calling me a liar.

I have quit. My sub ran out on Nov 20th and I have not renewed. I didn't start this thread. I won't start any threads about CRZ now. I have moved on to other games but still look at this site from time to time to see what's changed.

Cheers.

Beitrag von 331902

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Beitrag von Sas148

Unfortunately, this thread has turned into an argument between just a few and seems to have ran its course.

Locked.

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