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Beitrag von
moonstrike
I hafto ask..
Why does all start the rotation with Mangle ?
dont get it.
Why not start your rotation with maul ?
If you start with mangle.. and it lets say hits for 7000.. u have 7000 threat.
If you hit with Maul for 7000 you have around 30000 threat..
(number dont match up just an example).
Why dont you all start with Maul and do a Mangle/Swipe/FF after that ? then u have a good starting threat and the risk of ppl ripping gets smaller..
I havent tanked sence lvl 70.. just respecced and started to build up my Tanking gear again. miss it alot.. =)
Beitrag von
Falkor
Depending on the tank, there is sometimes nothing I can do to stop from stealing aggro. Even if I don't put SR up or swipe sometimes it is hard not to.
I don't think I ever used Cower until I started hitting heroics after gearing up
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so true, especially bold part. just nothin you can do with an undergeared tank sometimes, oh well happens to me when i attempt to tank for instant que.
the worst is when a dps is just so stupid they attack the mob you arent focusing on and get upset when they pull aggro and get hit (id say killed, but its a heroic - ill taunt it back unless they really get me mad). especially when you repeatedly ask them to focus fire your target. yeesh.
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109094
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Beitrag von
LookOut
Why not start your rotation with maul ?
We do, it's macroed in every single ability ^_^ So when starting the pull and you use FFF, maul is activated (or "toggled on" or w/e).
The macroes get quoted a lot in these forums, so just take a look around ;-)
Beitrag von
Falkor
2. Charge is great fun, I love doing it in midair... but it isn't good in instances. You get pull aggro, but you could have gotten that with any ability. You've pulled the mob, and now have to wait the GCD to generate aggro.
Except the GCD expires mid-charge, leaving you free to attack as soon as you arrive (unless your charging from the minimum distance or something silly like that). As the tank should always be determining the pace of the Run, he should always be ahead of the group. That should give you plenty of a lead time to charge and get 1-2 hits in before the dps begins.
there is that. but also, why charge? using fff gives you threat while running to the boss (also prevents a weird charge that might leave your back exposed to a free hit). also feral charge uses rage w/o gaining any back - unlike a warriors charge, which is free to use and generates rage. so that rage from furor or enrage was just wasted for no good reason and will require you to hit or be hit to regain rage and start your rotation.
only real reason to charge would be to interrupt a caster in a heroic or trash pull where it works.
I prefer Lacerate to Mangle personally, because I am a "set it and forget it" sorta guy. Even 1 stack of Lacerate generates threat for the entire 15 seconds, and if you have that on all your targets + Swipe, threat isn't a problem.
Thats a terribad idea that would only work if the dps your with have such a low out put that you have time to but 5 stacks on 4 mobs. This takes a minimum of 30 seconds to do and you could have used Swipe 20 times in that same time-frame and generated a helluva lot more aoe threat.
I rarely bother putting Lacerate on a target in aoe pulls if that is 3+ targets
i agree. if you cant keep aggro with swipe than either your DPS is not focus firing (in a smaller trash pack/heroic) or out gears you. if you're having trouble with just swipe i would suggest occasionally tabbing and tossing a quick maul then going back to the kill target & swiping to hold the adds.
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109094
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Beitrag von
moonstrike
Why not start your rotation with maul ?
We do, it's macroed in every single ability ^_^ So when starting the pull and you use FFF, maul is activated (or "toggled on" or w/e).
The macroes get quoted a lot in these forums, so just take a look around ;-)
hehe ok.. my misstake then..
Just that sence the postowner was asking just that.. and from what i saw everyone typed in to start with Mangle.. =) so it was maby good that i stated it out. =)
Beitrag von
LookOut
but also, why charge?
I always use charge at the beginning, and I'm never rage starved at the start of a pull (5-man or raid), because the mob's first hit already negates the 5 rage lost by using charge. Add to that that FFF uses 0 rage.
Also, pop Enrage at the start of the pull (in raids on boss fights anyways). I've always done that myself, it's win. Even before T10 4set bonus, I did Enrage + Barkskin because it only has 1 min cd.
Also:
When charging, the boss stays more or less stationary, as opposed to him running to you which means you have to drag him back.
You're a split second ahead of everyone else, giving a small threat lead (imo)
Why not? If it happens that your back is turned, you should just be on your guard for it and turn asap if needed. Besides, bears have quite the health pool, 1 hit on the back won't kill them.
Everything Parrazell mentionned.
Beitrag von
Falkor
yea got some valid points. i was mainly thinking of starting a boss fight, a raid boss more specifically. might as well save your rage and get a bit of threat with fff than charge. hopefully your dps is smart enough to give you a threat lead or at least tricks/md if they can. for a raid id say dont charge unless you have to get to the boss in a hurry, but most are easily positionable and even easier when ranged pulling (like putri, at least what my guild does).
for heroics it definitely has merit
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109094
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Beitrag von
Underminer
I recommend you read this
guide
. Not only does it give tank rotations, it gives gear choices, specs, glyphs, macros, and more.
Beitrag von
hawke
I usually do a mix of both thing mentionned....
I FFF then charge, then Mangle. I could just charge, since I enrage pretty much before every massive pull, but I consider the FFF threat bonus before charging in and moving the boss a bit a bonus. And it the GCD , the boss don't really have time to rush us before I can charge in anyway....
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