Beitrag von Malgayne
So the
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Beitrag von blackquaza
My gear/spec, 3.3.3
For the sake of stats i assumed self-buffed, and thunderclap on the target to activate TTW
DPS Ranking:
5528 100.0% Raid
5531 100.0% quaza
Player: quaza undead mage fire 80
DPS: 5531.1 Error=14.4 Range=1649 DPR=22.4 RPS=247.4/180.4 (mana)
Origin: C:/Users/Dakota/Documents\quaza.xml
Core Stats: strength=45|45(10) agility=51|51(10) stamina=1294|1254(1195) intellect=1412|1352(1173) spirit=402|402(208) health=19323|19323 mana=24168|23268
Spell Stats: power=3071|2900(2900) hit=17.12%|17.12%(449) crit=43.08%|31.90%(913) penetration=0|0(0) haste=18.39%|18.39%(603) mp5=0|0(0)
Attack Stats power=115|35(0) hit=13.69%|13.69%(449) crit=24.34%|24.34%(913) expertise=0.00|0.00(0) penetration=0.00%|0.00%(0) haste=18.39%|18.39%(603)
Defense Stats: armor=2250|2250(2148) blockv=23|23(0) defense=0|0(0) miss=0.00%|0.00% dodge=0.00%|0.00%(0) parry=0.00%|0.00%(0) block=0.00%|0.00%(0) crit=13.90%|13.90%
Glyphs: fire_ball/molten_armor/living_bomb
Priorities:
flask,type=frost_wyrm/food,type=fish_feast/arcane_brilliance/focus_magic
snapshot_stats/counterspell/scorch,debuff=1/combustion/mana_gem/speed_potion
living_bomb/pyroblast,hot_streak=1/mirror_image/fire_ball/evocation
fire_blast,moving=1/ice_lance,moving=1
Actions:
fire_ball Count= 84.4| 3.65sec DPE= 10176|50% DPET= 4236 DPR= 18.1 pDPS=2749 Miss=0.00% Hit=6609|5726|9021 Crit=12508|10407|20082|59.6% TickCount=115 MissTick=0.0% Tick=39|36|48
ignite Count= 0.0| 0.00sec DPE= 1|18% DPET= 1 DPR= 0.0 pDPS=1015 Miss=0.00% TickCount=80 MissTick=0.0% Tick=4127|362|17940
living_bomb Count= 21.4|14.20sec DPE= 10775|13% DPET= 7429 DPR= 16.8 pDPS= 740 Miss=0.00% Hit=2329|2043|3128 Crit= 4369| 3713| 6964|67.4% TickCount=82 MissTick=0.0% Tick=1163|1022|1564 CritTick=2186|1857|3482|61.6%
pyroblast Count= 20.0|13.85sec DPE= 12223|14% DPET= 8194 DPR= 19.0 pDPS= 784 Miss=0.00% Hit=7420|6676|10012 Crit=13771|12134|22288|61.3% TickCount=58 MissTick=0.0% Tick=313|283|420
reign_of_the_dead Count= 19.6|15.55sec DPE= 2234| 3% DPET= 1 DPR= 0.0 pDPS= 140 Miss=0.00% Hit=1769|1769|1769 Crit= 2733| 2733| 2733|48.2%
mirror_image (DPS=132.8)
mirror_blast Count= 25.7|30.97sec DPE= 264| 0% DPET= 1 DPR= 0.0 pDPS= 22 Miss=0.00% Hit= 252| 236| 272 Crit= 377| 354| 408|10.0%
mirror_bolt Count= 50.9|14.79sec DPE= 502| 1% DPET= 167 DPR= 0.0 pDPS= 82 Miss=0.00% Hit= 478| 445| 516 Crit= 717| 667| 774|9.9%
Constant Buffs: arcane_brilliance/focus_magic/focus_magic_feedback/molten_armor
Dynamic Buffs:
ashen_band_of_endless_destruction : start=4.0 refresh=0.0 interval= 79.1|79.1 uptime=13% trigger=10%
black_magic : start=7.9 refresh=0.0 interval= 41.3|41.3 uptime=25% trigger=35%
clearcasting : start=12.7 refresh=0.0 interval= 21.6|21.6 uptime= 9% benefit=10% trigger=10%
combustion : start=3.2 refresh=0.0 interval=121.3|0.0 uptime=14% benefit=12%
hot_streak : start=21.5 refresh=2.1 interval= 14.0|12.8 uptime=24%
lightweave_embroidery : start=5.2 refresh=0.0 interval= 65.9|65.9 uptime=24% trigger=35%
muradins_spyglass : start=1.1 refresh=478.8 interval=366.0|0.6 uptime=99%
speed_potion : start=1.0 refresh=0.0 interval= 0.0|0.0 uptime= 5%
tier10_2pc : start=18.8 refresh=1.2 interval= 14.8|13.8 uptime=31% benefit=31%
tier10_4pc : start=2.2 refresh=0.0 interval=182.2|182.2 uptime=20% benefit=22%
Up-Times:
100.0% : arcane_blast_0
100.0% : dps_rotation
Procs:
62.4 | 4.58sec : deferred_ignite
2.9 | 120.99sec : mana_gem
19.6 | 15.55sec : reign_of_the_dead
Gains:
8169.5 : clearcasting
5219.0 : empowered_fire
16731.7 : evocation
24168.0 : initial_mana
9963.9 : mana_gem
15862.5 : master_of_elements
8581.4 : spirit_intellect_regen
Scale Factors:
Weights : Int=2.1328 Spi=2.3834 SP=1.1971 Hit=2.6839 Crit=1.2600 Haste=0.2362
Wowhead :
http://www.wowhead.com/?items&filter=ub=8;gm=4;gb=1;wt=23:24:123:119:96:103;wtv=2.1328:2.3834:1.1971:2.6839:1.2600:0.2362; DPS Plot Data ( min=-200.0 max=200.0 points=21 )
DPS(Int)=5088|5130|5181|5213|5266|5296|5367|5404|5459|5500|5531|5579|5617|5677|5691|5723|5786|5803|5859|5907|5960
DPS(Spi)=5063|5099|5144|5188|5213|5311|5341|5402|5444|5491|5531|5591|5644|5678|5730|5745|5798|5864|5906|5948|5994
DPS(SP)=5293|5302|5346|5345|5377|5407|5432|5465|5469|5511|5531|5564|5596|5620|5630|5676|5660|5711|5737|5747|5771
DPS(Hit)=4992|5036|5090|5160|5201|5239|5312|5370|5435|5487|5531|5543|5535|5543|5532|5548|5542|5534|5524|5546|5581
DPS(Crit)=5271|5330|5314|5383|5371|5412|5412|5458|5485|5500|5531|5568|5587|5599|5625|5660|5680|5726|5750|5764|5765
DPS(Haste)=5502|5494|5500|5483|5511|5511|5509|5524|5543|5519|5531|5543|5534|5545|5547|5570|5589|5560|5587|5590|5600
Auras and De-Buffs:
Constant: improved_scorch/thunder_clap
Dynamic:
Waiting:
10.6% : quaza
Baseline Performance:
TotalEvents = 16990094
MaxEventQueue = 27
TargetHealth = 1812503
SimSeconds = 3125000
CpuSeconds = 16.993
SpeedUp = 183899
RNG global Actual/Expected Roll=0.999971 Range=1.000000 Gauss=0.999978
Scale Factors:
quaza Int=2.1328 Spi=2.3834 SP=1.1971 Hit=2.6839 Crit=1.2600 Haste=0.2362
Comes out to ~5.5k dps, and shows, oddly enough, that Int and Spirit are the highest scale factors.
Beitrag von quasipolymath
Does anyone have any numbers for 4.0.1 yet? I am interested in where crit, haste and mastery land. (edit) For Fire
Short answer, crit > mastery > haste for fire, but mastery and haste are close. As of my writing this, scales on wowhead and pawn still rank mastery > haste > crit for fire mages, however.
Long answer:
Latest simulationcraft results from the EJ "Cataclysm Fire Mage Compendium" are available here:
http://elitistjerks.com/f75/t110326-cataclysm_fire_mage_compendium/The simulationcraft results themselves, which disagree slightly with the information in the thread but are more recent, are here:
http://manoutoftime.org/misc/sc403/mage/T11_372/basic.htmlScales from that simulation (normalized), including those for Arcane and Frost as well as Frostfire Bolt nuke variations for Fire and Frost, are below:
Fire:
Int - 100
SP - 65
Hit - 80
Crit - 58
Haste - 40
Mastery - 42
Fire (FFB Nuke):
Int - 100
SP - 67
Hit - 76
Crit - 63
Haste - 29
Mastery - 41
Arcane:
Int - 100
SP - 61
Hit - 69
Crit - 29
Haste - 34
Mastery - 33
Frost:
Int - 100
SP - 76
Hit - 81
Crit - 43
Haste - 45
Mastery - 36
Frost (FFB Nuke):
Int - 100
SP - 77
Hit - 77
Crit - 43
Haste - 34
Mastery - 32
I hope this is useful to my fellow bathrobe-clad manaslingers.
JT
Beitrag von quasipolymath
it should say, or close to according to EJ (
http://elitistjerks.com/f75/t110326-cataclysm_fire_mage_compendium) Last edited by Tyrian : Jan 19, 2011 at 3:52 AM.
Intellect - 100 (Intellect is King - the strongest stat by far. Much stronger than even Hit. Intellect is a Primary Stat. It increases our Spell Power, Critical Strike Chance and our Mana. Due to the strength of Intellect: we aggressively Gem, Enchant and Gear towards maximizing the amount present on our gear.)
Crit - -100 (Crit is a strong Fire stat. Why? Because the Fire spec is built around Crit: Hot Streak relies on crits. Flashburn Mastery is more effective when spells Crit (They leave an Ignite, which Flashburn can amplify). Crit rates boost the amount of mana restored by Master of Elements, which in turn allows for more Fireballs to be cast. Combustion is a more powerful (and more easily used) cooldown when spells crit often. Crit is the heart of the Fire spec.)
Hit - 95(Hit is a very strong stat, but still weaker than intellect. You'll need 17% hit (1742 rating) for Tier 11 boss mobs. The value of Hit falls off once you're Hit capped. )
Spell Power - 85 (Spell Power can still be found on weapons and trinket effects. Spell Power is a very strong stat.)
Mastery - 50 (Mastery and Haste are both weaker than Crit. They are both of similar value*. These are the weakest stats you can reforge into Hit.)
Haste - 50 (Mastery and Haste are both weaker than Crit. They are both of similar value*. These are the weakest stats you can reforge into Hit.)
Your weights are way off and that "Fire Mage Compendium" post only applies to Fire, not to mages in general. I did all of the simcraft normalization calcs in my post above, but for the numbers in the current fire mage compendium, the weights (which have changed slightly since I last posted them) are as follows:
Int - 100 (3.7216 raw)
Hit - 82 (3.0677 raw)
Spell Power - 68 (2.5369 raw)
Crit - 52 (1.9366 raw)
Mastery - 37 (1.3588 raw)
Haste - 35 (1.2961 raw)
Note: Simcraft and RAWR currently disagree on the precise value for haste. Take that into account when plugging in stat weights.
Simcraft - T11, iLevel 372 for fire, arcane, and frost (with nuke variants):
http://manoutoftime.org/misc/sc403/mage/T11_372/basic.htmlJT
edit: raw weights included
