Guide: How To Lead Pugs

Beitrag von Tya1

After following your replies I conclude that the saddest part is that the whole post seems to be about education, but that you are simply lacking exactly the skill you want to display. Leadership.

True leadership is not about the person with the most accomplishments, being the best, most wellspoken person around, or showing that you have deep insight in the world around you, which is what you seem to be desperately doing. Perhaps that is what you are seeing on university, that the guys who just talk you upside down are getting the respect, but I'm afraid that is not what the real-world is about.

Stop trying to show that you are really worth something (I mean, serious, I think you must have the most filled out profile on wowhead...including which 'special' pieces of gear you have. And you like gardening. And have the most mounts in the word besides anybody else. And an epic purple shirt that screams: look at me! Oh, we are....and giggling), in the hope that it will catch attention.
True leadership is about personality. About being able to step aside from your own ego on the moment it is being called for, and setting boundaries when needed. True leadership is about trust, balance and experience. It's about personal growth, and if there is one thing you lack it is that. Lead your raids, figure them out, and learn to talk to people instead of giving them a 6 page lecture on the moment you want to tell them something. Learn to adapt to who you are dealing with, instead of staying on your pedestal high above the masses, and giving them the idea that if they don't understand you, they are not worth dealing with.

One day, you will have to deal with them, and only if you have figured out by then that it's not about you alone, you can accomplish the goals you are after.

Beitrag von 93865

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Beitrag von Tya1

Hm...think I struck a painful cord there. The funny thing is that on the moment I make an assesement of what I think you are behind the computer you start hopping up and down, while a very large portion of your own post was devoted to that. And by now starting to make all kinds of assumptions about how sad a person I must me on that one post I made...don't you feel that that is not petty hypocrisy by yourself?

What I was saying is: stop using wow as a way to show how good you are in maximizing your potential. If you like to think I'm a wow-nerd, jealous of your life, be my guest. I'm not offended by you thinking that, as you don't know anything of me, except what I am showing to you. ^^
And actually, I don't think you really enjoy the game that much, I just feel you want to 'be' somebody and are using the game as an outlet as you tend to be good in it.

I don't play all 'games' to win. I play to have fun. Do I like to win. Sure. Am I a little sour when I loose something I could have won. More sure. The problem is that you already there are judging me on your standards. "Everybody plays/work/has a desire to win." Do we want to be somebody? Yes. But I am fine with being somebody in my world. Not in the rest of the world. Don't expect everybody to be driven by desire like you.

Until so far, you are the person doing the sermons actually. I just pointed out that what I gather from the way you want to present yourself. And no, people in the workplace won't tell you that you first need to get a little life experience before they will listen to you. They will just make your life miserable.

But, what everybody can read the most from your essay/comments is that you hate getting critized, and whatever anybody says, it's the rest of the world that is wrong, never you. So, before you start popping veins in rage, I'll let this be. Have fun with your raids. I personally don't think your rulebook is going to work on the long run.

Beitrag von obiwaynekenobi

The OP is a troll; it has to be. Like I said before there's too many silly restrictions for this to be a serious post, and any shortcomings in the diatribe is ignored when the OP returns to post, instead picking out minute parts of the other person's argument to refute; all signs of a clever troll post who doesn't really want constructive criticism but wants praise.

Beitrag von Ippon

What's it to you?Nothing, it just explains why you think fashion has anything whatsoever to do with player skill.

I'd be a fool to care so much about the opinions of people on an internet forum that I'd demur to express my point of view for fear they might disapprove.

I mean, really, do you think popular opinion is a good measure of what is and is not true? Isn't that the very nature of a herd mentality?No, but it is a good impetus to re-evaluate your assertion and correct it when it is idiotic (as it is here).

Beitrag von Varaconn

Regardless of the true intent of this post (troll, humor, serious,) I enjoyed it.

The "types of players to avoid" section may be excessive and while it may not be a blanket assumption, it still has its merits. I've encountered many of these types of players in my travels, and many of the assertions are true. I don't necessarily agree with all of the characteristics from each type, mind you, but I still found it interesting.

Everyone's accusing the OP of either being one of these types or being shot down by one of these types -- why are you being so argumentative and/or defensive? It may be exaggerated, but on the whole the ideas are mostly true. While not as black and white, having these types of players in your raids, or guilds especially, will cause drama and tension, and your team will fall apart.

Not sure why so many people are taking it to heart.

Beitrag von 93865

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Beitrag von Asylu

I love how you have attempted to twist my words to make it appear homophobic....But there is one problem with that....If you had but taken the time to glance at my modest profile you would know two very important facts.

1. I am a female over the age of 16. In fact, I am 26 now and should update my profile.

2. I am gay. Not just a rather happy person, but also homosexual.

So accusing me of homophobia is slightly ludicrous, a rather desperate play to illicit a "no you are *!@" from the average American male - in your mind, of course.

And for your statement that what I did was not a satire...Truly read what a satire is before speaking. It is a type of parody....the content does not have to be humorous in and of itself, the overall affect is humorous...At least to those not faced with it.

What's it to you?Nothing, it just explains why you think fashion has anything whatsoever to do with player skill.

Ah-ha. So you are alleging I believe what I do because of my gender. You are extrapolating my real life persona from my conduct in-game.

Isn't that hypocritical - not to mention terribly sexist?

Not nearly as much as your assumptions of other players. Your archetypes were intellectually cloaked bigotry, hands down.

Beitrag von Ippon

No, but it is a good impetus to re-evaluate your assertion and correct it when it is idiotic (as it is here).

This would be logical only if I had objective reason to believe the opinions of others are more informed than my own. Most people are ignorant and believe whales are fish, but a relatively small informed minority of the world's total population knows they are not. The majority thinks it is correct; the minority knows it is correct because they have reasons to believe their opinion is superior.It's more like you saying that whales are fish and everyone telling you that they aren't. Regardless of what your original position is, widespread dissent is a good indicator that you should "check your work", as it were.

Ah-ha. So you are alleging I believe what I do because of my gender. You are extrapolating my real life persona from my conduct in-game.

Isn't that hypocritical - not to mention terribly sexist?Not even remotely. I have no problem with the theme, or even most of the details of your post. I chose one specific piece that is idiotic and brought it to your attention. In no way does that imply that I am averse to judging people. The least you can do when responding to someone is to actually read their posts.

As for the sexism, I think you'd be hard pressed to classify the statement "Women care more about fashion than men," as anything but objective truth. If the truth can be sexist, then sure, it was a sexist comment. In either case, I don't care.

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Beitrag von Asylu

By your own reasoning, I cannot know who you truly are in life and have no reason to believe or disbelieve the claims you make in the service of your own position. Therefore we set them aside.

Your life, whatever it may be, could be semantically interpreted in a positive or negative way, just as you have chosen to make negative semantic interpretations about what little you have been told by me of my own life. You do this, in the course of arguing against the negative archetypes I defined, while disregarding the positive archetypes that I also defined. You tunnel in on the negative and disregard the positive. Isn't that one-sided?

And so you claim my views are bigoted and yours are not. Upon what basis? Isn't it hypocritical to call someone out for arrogance in making subjective value judgments when you are doing exactly the same?

It is in the loving detail you lavish on the negative that is indicative of your true thoughts on other players. Flesh out your "positive" archetypes and I would have less problem with them. But it does not change the appearance of your post.

I am, in all actuality, applauding your wonderful essay for what it is: A masterly crafted troll post. It has inflamed this subsection of the forum and it is wasting time.....

=)

Beitrag von Wildhorn

Your stereotype definitions are bad and way too stereotyped >.>

The overwall guide is way too long and badly structured. It all looks bloated and hard to find informations.

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Beitrag von Tritoch

I liked it as a light-hearted idea of what to expect in a pug and a few ideas of how to deal with it when you're leading.

kantbfukt2read the last three pages of arguments, but I saw the word 'homophobic' and I'm wondering how you could draw that from something like this. Internet isn't that serious business.

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Beitrag von Squishalot

I'm still surprised people are so bitter about the focus on aesthetics. You don't need to be female / gay / both to be concerned about aesthetics, nor do females / gays / both have to be concerned about aesthetics.

The first thing my 21 yr old brother said when he picked up his 2pc T9 Priest set was how it clashed with what else he was wearing and how it made his Priest look ugly.

How often do we hear about people becoming Fury Warriors "because dual-wielding two two-handers looks frigging awesome!"?

How many straight males under the age of 25 purchased a Celestial Steed?

Fact - A lot of people care about aesthetics, so stop whining about the fact that you don't (when statistically, you probably do but won't admit it). Fact - DPS and healer gear don't look good together, and thus aesthetics can be used as a loose correlation to proper / flawed itemisation.

Beitrag von Tritoch

It's true. I care what my character looks like, so I'll never show helm. :(

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