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长姐之罪不寻常的请求泰达希尔的涕泪事实核查拜荒者的视角昔日战火的遗骨兽穴葬礼长姐之罪

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评论来自 Lintian

What's this? Nuance? An actually meaningful choice? In WoW?

I *like* this. This questline deals with a sore topic, and no matter what you choose, *someone* will be upset.

评论来自 Jenstonedart

After you complete this quest, She tells you to come and meet her at her family's resting place for some more flavor text if you follow her into the den.

Also, love the choice option. I was too sympathetic for them as a longtime night elf druid to dissuade Malfurion, but I'll probably do this again (on a less guilt-provoking toon) to see what happens.

评论来自 cherrytealeaves

The quest rewards 一袋雷裔之种 upon completion.

评论来自 cherrytealeaves

This link provides more information on player choices and the consequences that will follow.

评论来自 iressiwi

As a forever Kaldorei player this questline wrenched my heart.
After you complete the quest, Kelestra heads down into the barrow dens and if you follow and talk to her, she will say:

Thank you, for all that you have done for me.

I do not dispute what Koroleth did or the harm that she caused. But I never knew Koroleth the primalist.

I knew Koroleth the druid, who dedicated her life to the balance and harmony of nature.

I knew Koroleth the kaldorei, who would have given her life to protect Teldrassil and its people.

I knew Koroleth, my sister, who would take me to the docks of Rut'theran Village as a child to watch the ships sail by, and on the way home, buy a basket of Tundra Berries for me to munch on.

That is the Koroleth I will remember.

For context, Koroleth is the night elf we kill in the Ohn'ahran Plains questline.

评论来自 Subliiminal

To start the quest go to 48,70 in Amirdrassil.

评论来自 Andeann

Looking for Malfurion to even start this? See post on the first quest of this line.

评论来自 TigerUn

Prerequisite quest line: Seed of Renewal that starts with Fair Skies and Strong Winds., after completion of Seed of Renewal, the first quest An Uncommon Request is provided.

评论来自 Gwez

To my understanding the fair solution would be removing the remains of the family from the barrow den and burying them together outside. Koroleth earned her family the honor to be buried in a barrow den, but then betrayed the night elves, moved for revenge for what happened to her family. Since Koroleth lost the honor to be buried in a barrow den, also lost it for her family, and thus her family remains should be moved out from the den and they all could be buried together anywhere else. This would be a right move as she did all for her family and stays with them, but stained their honor and will be so forever.
Also, would like to point out that Koroleth's motivation and actions are not much different from Tyrande's since the burning of Teldrassil, just that Tyrande has the political power, so her actions are seen as legal and legit, unlike Koroleth's.
Having agency in an RPG is excellent, it should be the soul of the game, but when you're forced into chosing between options which don't represent what would up do, creates a feeling of unease, specially when this choice is quite obvious to you.

评论来自 CoaFeanaro

Love the irony, getting to persuade Mal to forgive a sibling's war crimes :'))

评论来自 Morbridae

If you want to get to Kelestra, enter the barrow dens and follow the path with the yellow flowers (the left one)!

评论来自 Qoko

This choice is actually quite tough. But we are spearheaded to side with Kelestra which I did. In the end burials are done for the grief of relatives, not the deceased. Kelestra should, IMHO, not be punished for her sister's (clouded) decisions, and frankly, I don't think Rashan gains anything from disallowing it either. He should focus on giving his brother the same treatment and not revenging family members of his killer. Revenge never gave anyone peace.

评论来自 Celebriian

The choices given are really tough. But in some ways the choices given to us us in this quest reminded me of many multiple choice questions given to me during interviewing processes I've had throughout my career-life by Human Resource professionals. Each answer given is for the purpose of profiling a persons personality and virtues. Because the quest reminded me of my past experiences with that, I couldn't help but feel this quest was a Blizzard Quest Designer's way of "polling" players' opinions on forgiving the heinous actions made by Sylvannas on Teldrassil's World Tree now that Amirdrassil and Bel'Ameth is in place. I do wonder what our final tallied answers from this poll will lead us to in the future?

But that wasn't the only thing that influenced my decision to not let Kelestra bury her sister Koroleth with the rest of her family. As much as I was touched by Kelestra's grief and holding on to the "good" parts of her Kaldorei family memories. It was the conversations with each of the reforming Primalists during A Primalist Point of View that influenced my decision in that Koroleth abused her Druid training and treated others with disrespect and malignancy, especially if her own team members were previous members of the Horde. Koroleth blatently dismissed her heritage and her Primalist actions were no longer aligned with being one of the Children of the Stars (the Night Elf interpretation for Kaldorei). And the whole purpose of the new World Tree was to start over cleansed of blood shed against the Kaldorei and bringing ALL Elven races together once more.

I did read the consequences to my choices in advance, but I can't say doing so influenced my decision. Sometimes family members do things that shape us into who we are or are to become, for better or for worse. It's a life lesson we all learn. However, unlike the April 2024 spoiler to this quest, the actual ending impression Kelestra leaves you with when you speak with her on the shore of Amirdrassil where you found her sister's bones does not imply that Kelestra clenches her fists so tightly that she begins to shake, but rather:

<Kelestra clenches her fists so tightly that blood begins to drip from between her fingers.>

Grief is powerful pain.

评论来自 eldiin

If you sided with Rashan and convinced Malfurion to forbid Kelestra from laying Koroleth to rest inside the barrow den, Kelestra tells you to go find her after we are done there. Kelestra can be found where we found her sister's body (must be outside of the Emerald Dream):

IF YOU HAVE TOMTOM
/way #2239 90, 21 Kelestra

IF YOU HAVE A WAYPOINT ADDON THAT CANNOT MAKE USE OF TOMTOM'S MAP ID FUNCTIONALITY
Must be in the version of Amirdrassil that isn't the Emerald Dream
/way 90, 21

IF YOU DON'T HAVE A WAYPOINT ADDON
If you click the waypoint under the tomtom section, you have the option to create an in-game map pin. If you don't know how this works, after you copy the map pin, go into the game, hit enter in the chat window, paste the copied map pin, then hit enter. You should see the something, like , in your chat window. Click this and it will plot the map pin for you.

As soon as you approach her, she says the following:

Over here, <Name>. If I couldn't bury my sister beneath Amirdrassil, I could at least lay her to rest beneath this tree.

It's kind of heart wrenching. "If I can't lay her to rest in that grand place over yonder, well... at least there's this tree." It's something at least. A land mark for her to come visit her sister's grave, but must be separate from the rest of her family. A constant reminder of what her sister has done. A constant reminder that her sister was refused rights to be buried with her family. A constant reminder that Amirdrassil is suppose to stand for renewal. Part of renewal is forgiveness, which her sister isn't exactly granted.

Understanding this, and then when you read the end of the dialog she has with you when you right click her:

Yeah... If she didn't have hatred in her heart before, she may very well have it now.

评论来自 Lickmycritt

What happens if you deny her? Well, I couldn't find anything online, so I did it myself.

Malfurion Stormrage says: Kelestra, your sister Koroleth fought for the Primalists, and her actions caused pain and sorrow for us and our allies.
Malfurion Stormrage says: I cannot in good conscience allow her to be buried here, on ground that we have shed so much blood to protect.
Malfurion Stormrage says:It would be a disservice to all those who fought and died against the Primalists to stop their machinations.
Malfurion Stormrage says: Kelestra, I am sorry, but you must lay your sister to rest elsewhere.
Kelestra says: My heart aches that my family will never be united gain.
Kelestra says: when you are done with these people, come find me on the beach where you found my sister.
Rashan Stillbrook says: You have done the right thing, Archdruid. It was not pleasant, it was not easy, but it was right.

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Kelestra can be found at 89.91 21.04, a little further north, and further inland than Koroleth was found.
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Her dialog is:

I don't know what you said to Malfurion, but thank you for trying .

<Kelestra wipes away tears.>

Since my sister is unwanted at Amirdrassil, I decided to lay her to rest here, where you found her.

I know that my sister has wronged our people... but she's gone. Must they punish her for eternity? Can they not let go of their anger? Their hatred?

<Kelestra clenches her fists so tightly that blood begines to drip from between her fingers.>

I'm not totally sure how I feel about it. I see both sides.

评论来自 Alatheia

I know I'm late to the discussion, but I believe siding with Kelestra is the right choice for several reasons.

First, it's important to remember that burial and funeral rites are primarily for the living, not the dead. In the context of WoW, we know that souls are sent to the Shadowlands to be judged, and even individuals worse than Koroleth have found redemption in Revendreth. Tyrande said it best: all souls should be sent to the Arbiter to be judged with compassion. This situation is more about soothing those who are grieving, which Rashan has every right to do. However, it's unfair that he wants to deny Kelestra the same opportunity.

Amirdrassil was created to be a place of peace, healing, and renewal, not bitterness. Rashan’s bitterness towards the reformed primalists reveals a darkness within him, particularly if he cannot find it in his heart to let his own family rest in peace. On the other hand, Kelestra has overcome her hatred for the Horde, demonstrating that she truly understands the values of the new World Tree and isn't a hypocrite.

If we don't support Kelestra, we're essentially admitting that the World Tree is a false monument, failing in its purpose as a haven of peace and tranquility. This could lead Kelestra to feel resentful, potentially planting the seeds of a new villain.

Rashan may indeed become a villain, but his bitterness predates Kelestra’s arrival. He could drag others down with him if he doesn't choose a path of renewal over vengeance, much like Tyrande faced in her own journey. Punishing Kelestra is not the answer. I hope Rashan finds his way, but I fear he may follow a path similar to Koroleth’s. If that happens, I wouldn’t be surprised if Kelestra ends up burying him in the same barrow den.

评论来自 jjdots

As a kaldorei player that does some mild RP, this quest inspired a lot of conflicting feelings. I didn't play through DF until I came back during TWW, and originally missed this last quest. Instead I stumbled upon it sometime later on this wowhead page. My initial thought was to log in and do the quest ASAP just to reject Kelestra. Ironically, with the same mindset that Koroleth herself had.

I'm tired of the blanket forgiveness being thrown around. I don't care if Amirdrassil was a symbol of renewal. This constant push for unearned forgiveness and forced unity is so hokey and unrealistic. Forgive the Horde and blame Sylvanas. Downplay Sylvanas' culpability and blame the Jailer. Sweep it under the rug and get chummy with the Horde all over again. And if Pelagos is now going to judge with more compassion, then it pays even more to be evil. While the old Arbiter was definitely unjust, it seems like Pelagos wants to go too far in the other direction and give out unlimited mercy. Even under the old Arbiter we had Zill'kee the World Reaper in Revendreth instead of The Maw despite being the worst monster in the universe. Under Pelagos would she even get Revendreth, or something better? Vashj got Maldraxxus which she loved, despite a lifetime of serving Azshara/Sargeras/N'Zoth/Illidan's evil schemes. If we forgive everyone in life, and Pelagos forgives everyone in death, it pays to be evil. Live it up as large as you can; cheat, lie, steal, kill, and aim for the most decadent and fulfilling life possible. You'll either succeed, or you'll fail, but as long as you're a mortal and not some kind of evil god you'll still be forgiven by your living victims and still get a chill afterlife alongside the dead ones. Yes, the average person is good and lives with morals rather than for the potential of forgiveness, but Azeroth is full of monsters in waiting who will see this constant stream of forgiveness in life and lax justice in the afterlife, and see it as a sign that nothing is sacred, and anything is permissible.

So I wanted to have some agency in finally saying no, the final (mortal) enemy in the 3 expansion kaldorei quest from genocide to "renewal" is not forgiven. But then you do the quest, and it's more complicated. Funny enough, I felt like my feelings often flipped for the exact opposite reasons Blizzard intended. First you hear Kelestra's story about Teldrassil, and how Koroleth saved her but presumably died herself, which is touching. But she later resurfaces and sees we've made peace with the Horde, feels betrayed by the Alliance, Sylvanas got a slap on the wrist, and Tyrande did none of what she promised. All things I heavily agreed with, though to be fair Tyrande did the best she could after Elune betrayed her, and killing Sylvanas at her sentencing would've been a mercy compared to making her continue saving kaldorei souls in The Maw, though it was still too little. Still, I agreed with much of Koroleth's motivations. I was now thinking I'd agree with Kelestra when I got to the end, if only because I still share Koroleth's grievances. But there was one problem - achieving her goals by helping Fyrakk burn Amirdrassil was the absolute worst way to go about it. Getting that seed was about the only useful thing Elune and Tyrande did, and contained victims of Teldrassil. Fyrakk's plans would've torched them all, alongside the still living kaldorei. Koroleth's actions did not align with her goals. But again, the quest defies expectations. When you talk to the other Primalists, the very last one says she doesn't think Koroleth knew the goal was to go for Amirdrassil. Kelestra agrees, and though we don't know for sure, I'll assume it's true. Had she known she would've likely abandoned the cause and been pardoned like the other reformed ones.

So with that snag out of the way, I could agree with Kelestra, right? But maybe not. Again, ironically because I still hold to many of Koloreth's own beliefs, which in some ways is the same as Rashan's reasoning. We can't just keep forgiving everyone. Were it just being diplomatic for the sake of peace, that would be one thing. But the story has truly pushed it as sunshines and rainbows between factions despite the atrocities that went on, or bringing back the Darkfallen so easily, or the way the whole Sylvanas thing played out, or the way we then do the same thing with the Primalists themselves. It's too much. Others think it embodies the meaning of Amirdrassil, but I think it undermines it. When you forgive everyone it begins to mean nothing; it trivializes war, murder, and genocide, and it disgraces the victims. It's like Naruto calling Obito 'the coolest guy' after everything he did. Bonkers. And in some twisted way, refusing Kelestra would be honoring the beliefs that Koloreth died for. Beliefs I respected.

Yet in the end I agreed with Kelestra. Not because I believe in this forgiveness that's being handed out so cheaply, but merely because it's ALREADY been handed out so cheaply to others who deserved it far less. I had no input on the Armistice with the Horde, or the pitiful justice leveraged against Sylvanas, or Elune's failures, or the current "unity". The only choice I get is to forgive a fellow kaldorei who suffered the same atrocities as the rest of us, and held hardline beliefs that I still share. I didn't accept her methods, but we learn that wasn't what it seemed either. If the Horde gets forgiven for genociding our people for no good reason, and Sylvanas gets a reduced sentence and sympathy despite genociding and damning our people for asinine reasons, then I will forgive a fellow kaldorei who suffered under those same two groups, and thus did have an understandable reason for turning out the way she did. So in the end I forgive Koloreth because my heart too shares the same resentment that hers did, so she should at least be afforded the same grace our enemies were, especially when they deserved it far less, or not at all. Probably not the quest's intentions, but it worked for me.
Ironically it's Kelestra's overt forgiveness that I disagree with, yet she's the one I'm rewarding. Oh well. I do still feel for Rashan, but in a way his bitterness is the same as mine and Koloreth's.
Sadly this will probably make Blizzard think we want more forgiveness.

Maybe this was too much on how I felt about a quest, but diving back into this quest that serves as a more relatable capstone to BFA/SL/DF, it brought up a lot of feelings.

评论来自 06024D

After everything the Horde did at Teldrasil, I understand Koroleth. She wanted revenge, and everyone denied her.

But In the end, my character would probably kill Kelestra off screen.
It's not good to leave loose ends.

评论来自 DCCXVIII

TL;DR, quest chain you need starts with this: 不寻常的请求

Quest is in the outside version of Amidrassil. Not the Emerald Dream version.

评论来自 Synsyn

I don't care what's "right" here, that other guy lost the moment he went out of his way to harass a grieving girl while she was burying her family. Inside a grave. What a #$%^&*.
Thankfully I saved Malfurions butt several times and he owes me lol. Poor Kelestra went through enough, she shouldn't be forced to go through this bs.

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