On a person note, these are a perfect example of poor TBC itemization once again. You can get a blue and better version of these (with two Red Sockets) in a regular 5-man instance:
even if Druids do not benefit from +dagger they aren't to bad for tank-Bears.
pritty high armor, some stam and close to 4% evade
29 agi = 29 atp + 54 direct atp = 83 atp = more aggro for Bears
29 agi ~~ 1,5% crit = more aggro for Bears + more rage
more aggro ==>> you rougs can dish out much more dammage without fearing to pull aggro form your tank ;)
I'll never say "need" if a rouge likes em!
but I don't supose many rouges whant's em :). there are much better shoulders like T4/T5/Arena etc.
These have been 'upgraded' (if you can call it that) on the PTR:
13 dodge rating
54 attack power
( 1 ) red gem slot
Slotted bonus = +2 agi.
Still the same ol' brown/red bloodfang model. I guess I'll stay with my Merciless shoulders with my crit gems for now.
Wonder why it can't have all weapon skills like this belt here. It's not like you'll be using all of the skill types at the same time.
Seems these shoulders will get Rogue T5 looks from patch 2.1.2
One should cut off the druids balls who rolls on these before a rogue.
Besides the +10 weapon skill in daggers, this shoulder is the best choice even for any non-dagger rogues out there before T5 shoulders.
Despite the fact that Void Reaver seems to be easier than Hydross.
If you have a shadowpriest in your group as a sruvivalhunter, those are the best shoulders before t6. The rogues will hate me :)
Currently the third best shoulders for cat dps,
I have problem with my eyes or this item doesn't actualy increase dagger skill? In Skills window it shows just 350(+10)/350, just like for swords and unarmed. And that +10 is from the Weapon Expertise talent.
killed hydross 10 times now and still haven't seen these shoulders... Even with the increase to 3 epix since 2.2 patch... I know it's really random how loot drops, but stuff like this is frustrating...
The second I give up on these and loot T5 from loot reaver you'll see these drop :( damn you murphy!
If what I just read on the forums is correct;
"*Weapon skill will be converted into weapon expertise on a 1:1 ratio.
*Weapon expertise rating will be a 4:1 conversion to expertise points (just like old weaponskill rating)
*Weapon expertise will reduce your chances to be dodged/parried by 1% for every 15.6 rating
*The talent Weapon Expertise in the combat tree currently still gives 10 points on the PTR
*Items with +skill rating on the PTR have been adjusted to +expertise, specific weapon requirements are no longer needed "
I will be even more delighted about these shoulders than before (I'm a sword rogue, they give +dagger skill) since they cater to the other types of weapons aswell.
But there is no mention to + to weapon expertise. I fear they have ruined my dagger shoulders. So is it just not in the tool tip or have they completely removed the +weapon skill or expertise rather from the shoulders?
edit:never mind, the tooltip just wasnt as updated during my original post.
In order not to see Dodges from bosses anymore, you'd need 88 Weapon Expertise rating, excluding Weapon Expertise in the Combat tree. With WE, you'd only need 49. It would also make the 41 Ulti in Combat somewhat less useful (but apparently, everyone will be speccing Hemo in 2.3 anyway).
Also, weapon expertise completely negates a hit rating of the same value:
10 Hit rating is 0,63% Hit
10 WE rating is -0,64% target dodge
The outcome would be roughly the same, 0,63% more connected hits, until you reach the WE cap.
Look identical to T5 and Merciless Gladiators shoulders.
For Enhancement Shaman, this is likely the best in-game, due to zero availability of expertise on Mail plus it has a good socket.
Certainly better than Tier 6 Shoulders, since it "wastes" itemization points on mana per 5 seconds.
Yeah, after doing the calculations... These are the best Enhancement Shoulders in the game... Because Expertise is so valuable to melee classes, and there is no mail with expertise available. These are a nice candidate for an Epic 10str gem...
Calculated from my current gear... these are 201.45 EP... Tier 6 clocks in almost 40 points lower at 163.8.
If you only want to wear mail, your next best choice is "Shoulders of the Hudden Predator"
These (2.54 expertise) combined with
will give you 20.04 expertise or 5.01% dodge/parry reduction, which is almost exactly the cap for lvl 70 mobs.
Honestly, these shoulders are the best for Rogues who still use Mutilate for raiding. The crit and expertise are extremely nice. A lot of people neglect this spec due to it's massive energy dumping and forcing you to use daggers, yet, it's been proven that rogues who know what they are doing, rotation-wise, can drop over 1k dps in Kara/ZA gear with Malchazeen (
) and The Mutilator (
Your best bet for gemming this would be a 4hit/4agi gem or 5hit/5agi to add to your needed cap of 300 hit.
These dropped on my 4th run, I think these shoulders look great any leather class, and goes nicely with
Stealther's Helmet of Second Sight
+12 [敏捷 or 智力]
插槽加成: +0 敏捷
耐久: 100 / 100
需要等级 30 至 30 (30)
Merciless Gladiator's Leather Armor
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